I'm not saying don't invest in real estate, I totally agree with you Grizz. That statement I said that you have bold means make very good buys rather than buying hoping it will appreciate in time and just going out and buying any random house. A mistake a lot of real estate investors make is buying and hoping it will always appreciate. Now, in Mutant's case, he state he wants to buy and rent...that is a different kind of real estate investing. But, it is still very important to buy "good". Realistically, you won't make much money from renting but it is a very good way, as you put it Grizz, to have someone else paying for it. That is a very good strategy for long term wealth and even for buying and selling properties in a rotational manner ever so often. Any way, this is a really good topic, I look forward to hearing your guys inputs.