Staying "ON" Year Round?

[juiced2damax]

Staying "ON" Year Round?

Hey Doc,
I'm bouncing a few ideas in my head and wanted to ask your expert opinion. I compete in bodybuilding and have been running AAS for about 8 months now. I just competed in my last show for the season until next year. I am paying someone to do my diet as I believe he is very knowledgeable in that area but he brings to me some unique ideas about cycling. He advised me to come off all AAS NOW and stay off for 4wks. He explained to NOT take any sort of PCT (no clomid, nolva, or hcg). He said that I should come off EVERYTHING and allow my body to try and rebound on its on without any other chemicals helping me produce hormones again. He is gung-ho on this method but i can't seem to grasp how it would be better than taking throwing some hcg in the mix. My other thought was to coast for a few months on 250mg of test e and blast away another 16wk cycle of multiple compounds in about 2-3 months.

Keep in mind doc that I am a bodybuilder and somewhat of an extremist, so which method do you think would be most beneficial to me in capitalizing in my gains during this offseason? THoughts?

Thanks

j2dm

 

[Vicious Cycle]

Hey Doc,
I'm bouncing a few ideas in my head and wanted to ask your expert opinion. I compete in bodybuilding and have been running AAS for about 8 months now. I just competed in my last show for the season until next year. I am paying someone to do my diet as I believe he is very knowledgeable in that area but he brings to me some unique ideas about cycling. He advised me to come off all AAS NOW and stay off for 4wks. He explained to NOT take any sort of PCT (no clomid, nolva, or hcg). He said that I should come off EVERYTHING and allow my body to try and rebound on its on without any other chemicals helping me produce hormones again. He is gung-ho on this method but i can't seem to grasp how it would be better than taking throwing some hcg in the mix. My other thought was to coast for a few months on 250mg of test e and blast away another 16wk cycle of multiple compounds in about 2-3 months.

Keep in mind doc that I am a bodybuilder and somewhat of an extremist, so which method do you think would be most beneficial to me in capitalizing in my gains during this offseason? THoughts?

Thanks

j2dm

I stay on 250mg TE year round; then again I'm almost 40.

 

[-MU-]

If my memory serves me correcty you have been on quite a bit longer than 8 months...4 weeks is not gonna help shit...No recovery is possible within that time frame.

Hey Doc,
I'm bouncing a few ideas in my head and wanted to ask your expert opinion. I compete in bodybuilding and have been running AAS for about 8 months now. I just competed in my last show for the season until next year. I am paying someone to do my diet as I believe he is very knowledgeable in that area but he brings to me some unique ideas about cycling. He advised me to come off all AAS NOW and stay off for 4wks. He explained to NOT take any sort of PCT (no clomid, nolva, or hcg). He said that I should come off EVERYTHING and allow my body to try and rebound on its on without any other chemicals helping me produce hormones again. He is gung-ho on this method but i can't seem to grasp how it would be better than taking throwing some hcg in the mix. My other thought was to coast for a few months on 250mg of test e and blast away another 16wk cycle of multiple compounds in about 2-3 months.

Keep in mind doc that I am a bodybuilder and somewhat of an extremist, so which method do you think would be most beneficial to me in capitalizing in my gains during this offseason? THoughts?

Thanks

j2dm

 

[Vicious Cycle]

If my memory serves me correcty you have been on quite a bit longer than 8 months...4 weeks is not gonna help shit...No recovery is possible within that time frame.

Agreed. I really don't see the point. The only thing that could happen is maybe gyno, bad acne and suicidal thoughts.

You're either off or you're on. Four weeks is neither.

Stay cool brother!


BTW, nice signature MU!

 

[-MU-]

Suicidal thoughts ??? Have you been watching to much TV ??? Mild depression maybe.

Agreed. I really don't see the point. The only thing that could happen is maybe gyno, bad acne and suicidal thoughts.

You're either off or you're on. Four weeks is neither.

Stay cool brother!


BTW, nice signature MU!

 

[Package]

4 weeks is not gonna help shit...No recovery is possible within that time frame.

I think you need to run PCT. and stay off, for awhile, go natural. As a natural, that turned to the darkside, i got my best gains when my receptors were clean. In fact i plan on going natural for at least 2.5 months,from the date of my last shot. i will run PCT now, because i believe i need to regain a natural test balance and clean out my system , while holding gains. The only drug i think is wise to run yearround is The Mother of all drugs HGH.

 

[Vicious Cycle]

Suicidal thoughts ??? Have you been watching to much TV ??? Mild depression maybe.

LOL, I do like the boob tube. I would agree with you that someone like me who runs 250mg a week; a sudden four week stoppage might just bring on some mild depression. But we aren't talking about someone who runs 250mg a week; we are talking about someone who is Juiced to the max (pardon the pun).

I don't find it unreasonable that this could be a concern.

It's sort of like 'roid rage' in reverse. In of itself there is no such thing. But with roid rage, a person gets bigger and stronger. They feel better about themselves , they become more confident and a little cockier. Then someone says something that they normally would have let slide; except now you have a bigger, stronger, more confident and cockier person in their place and they take a swing. Did the AAS make them do it or did the inability to handle the feelings that come along with it? I say the latter.

Well, the depression/suicidal thoughts is the same thing except in reverse. This bigger, stronger, more confident and cockier person stops cold turkey and bang! Estrogen goes WAY up, which makes him moodier and harder to deal with. This causes trouble at home and at work. He doesn't have the same motivation to get in the gym and when he does he can't lift near what he used too. He becomes smaller and people notice. Sex drive is gone. All of these things could lead a person to have suicidal thoughts. Again, was it the AAS or the inability to deal with the off time. Again, I say the latter. But that doesn't make the possibility of those thoughts any less real.

Did I make any sense in that ramble???

 

[juiced2damax]

If my memory serves me correcty you have been on quite a bit longer than 8 months...4 weeks is not gonna help shit...No recovery is possible within that time frame.

I probably told you I was on for about a year but I thought back and I remember taking 2 months off during September and Oct when I started my new job and was slacking in my training. I got blood work done on 10/25 and started my cycle the begining of November.

I agree with you guys about acne, depression, and drop in libido for 4wks and not much if any benefits...I thought this guy might know something that I didn't so I'm looking forward to seeing the doc spread some light on this subject.

 

[juaneye]

reading as many of your posts as i have...i think you already know the answer you are looking for J2DM. i would like to see you come off for 3-6 months to give your body a break, you are a young man and are putting a lot of very powerful chemicals in your body, i would hate to see you get some really bad news from your doctor in 20 years. i have known men who have left young children orphans and beautiful wives widows, because they got caught up wanting to live the "life style" while young and feeling invinsible. i konw you are a good man from reading your thoughts for a couple years now, and i want you to live a long and fruitful life.

juaneye

 

[sdmlsu1]

I stay on 250mg TE year round; then again I'm almost 40.

Same here, I'm on 200mg/wk weekly year round because it's medically necessary. I really don't see the point in coming off for 4wks after being on so long unless your just looking to feel like shit, then start back up just in time to feel better. I could see coming off with proper PCT for 4 months but not 4 weeks. JMO

 

[-MU-]

Same here and I agree....4 weeks will do nothing for recovery. Unless you plan on staying off for at least 6 months then whats the point ?

Just drop it down to 150-200 mgs per week and cruise. Receptor degradation is a myth so I'm not sure why your buddy is telling you to do this anyways, unless you are doing it to regain natural function...Which then as I stated before, will take your body at least 4-6 months to regain into the "normal" range.

Same here, I'm on 200mg/wk weekly year round because it's medically necessary. I really don't see the point in coming off for 4wks after being on so long unless your just looking to feel like shit, then start back up just in time to feel better. I could see coming off with proper PCT for 4 months but not 4 weeks. JMO

 

[MR2U]

Same here and I agree....4 weeks will do nothing for recovery. Unless you plan on staying off for at least 6 months then whats the point ?

Just drop it down to 150-200 mgs per week and cruise. Receptor degradation is a myth so I'm not sure why your buddy is telling you to do this anyways, unless you are doing it to regain natural function...Which then as I stated before, will take your body at least 4-6 months to regain into the "normal" range.

I too would totally have to agree with this.

 

[Package]

Which then as I stated before, will take your body at least 4-6 months to regain into the "normal" range.

What makes you say this, is it based on the amount drug use or just a medical fact...

 

[BigMD]

Juiced,

I posted a lengthy reply two weeks ago but it looks like it never made it to the board. Weird. Anyway I think your situation is very interesting. First, I am really skeptical of anyone who calls themselves an expert. If you really are people should just know from your knowledge base and not need to call themselves that. Second, the advice you were given is suspect.

I understand your goals are to keep maximal gains off of your cycle. The reality is that 4 weeks will do hardly anything to cleanse your system. To truly cleanse you need at least 4 MONTHS. So with that being said the 4 weeks means nothing. My advice to you if you want to cleanse is to go off for at least 4 months but take hcg which will help you ramp up again. By taking hcg it will make an easier transition for competition training. The main problem is maintaining gains and going off your cycle are at odds with one another at least at the chemical level.

 

[lottalead]

Juiced,

I posted a lengthy reply two weeks ago but it looks like it never made it to the board. Weird. Anyway I think your situation is very interesting. First, I am really skeptical of anyone who calls themselves an expert. If you really are people should just know from your knowledge base and not need to call themselves that. Second, the advice you were given is suspect.

I understand your goals are to keep maximal gains off of your cycle. The reality is that 4 weeks will do hardly anything to cleanse your system. To truly cleanse you need at least 4 MONTHS. So with that being said the 4 weeks means nothing. My advice to you if you want to cleanse is to go off for at least 4 months but take hcg which will help you ramp up again. By taking hcg it will make an easier transition for competition training. The main problem is maintaining gains and going off your cycle are at odds with one another at least at the chemical level.

i am no expert,but i agree 4 weeks for him would be usless but if he competes wouldn't 4 months be too long ?