TEST/EQ/TREN E/ bulker

[Nate]

TEST/EQ/TREN E/ bulker

I am considering running Test E at 1200mg, eq 600mg, and tren e at 400mg a week. Along with TNE at 100mg a day, and dbol 50mg a day for kick start. Hows this sound for bulking. I have run eq and tren ace toghether before, any have expeirnce with tren e and eq toghether?

1-20 Test E/cyp 1200mg
1-20 EQ 900mg
16-22 var or winny 50mg day
1-4 100mg TNE per day
1-4 DBol 50mg per day
adex or amorasin as needed
proviron 50mg a day

EDIT: dropped the tren e and upped the eq dose

 

[vtliftvt]

Well if you're running that much gear I hope that you're a pretty big fucking dude and have quite a lot of experience and plan on stepping on stage. I would be a hypocrit if I said I wouldn't run such a cycle but I am smart enough not to do it until I get every last little bit out of lower dosages and need to increase as my growth stagnates.

Tren and EQ together aren't "bad" per say however you better be getting your bloodwork done as your RBC's will raise pretty drastically. Also check your hemocratic as btw the test and eq you may run into issues in the long run.

Regardless, get your bloodwork done...its worth it in the long run.

If you're like me, you dont run PCT and just go back to cruising on test which I would assume since you have no PCT listed.

 

[M FREAKY]

I would work your way up on the test, starting at 1200 for 20w it might little to much to handle, Quality gain is when set your cycle at pyramid.
Drop the tren E,

 

[Nate]

I would work your way up on the test, starting at 1200 for 20w it might little to much to handle, Quality gain is when set your cycle at pyramid.
Drop the tren E,

Last year I ran a 20 weeker with test at 1gram and eq at 600 made good gains. I am a big dude 6'3" and at 245 now. I plan on stepping on stage next year. I am on hrt. Been cycling since 2003, I'm 31. I've run tren ace with a test eq cycle before and liked the results. Never run the tren e before.

 

[Nate]

Well if you're running that much gear I hope that you're a pretty big fucking dude and have quite a lot of experience and plan on stepping on stage. I would be a hypocrit if I said I wouldn't run such a cycle but I am smart enough not to do it until I get every last little bit out of lower dosages and need to increase as my growth stagnates.

Tren and EQ together aren't "bad" per say however you better be getting your bloodwork done as your RBC's will raise pretty drastically. Also check your hemocratic as btw the test and eq you may run into issues in the long run.

Regardless, get your bloodwork done...its worth it in the long run.

If you're like me, you dont run PCT and just go back to cruising on test which I would assume since you have no PCT listed.

I get my blood work done before, during and after my cycles. I do feel my growth has stagnated somewhat during my last bulking cycle, hence why I added the tren e and upped the test e a little. No pct for me I'm on hrt

 

[vtliftvt]

I get my blood work done before, during and after my cycles. I do feel my growth has stagnated somewhat during my last bulking cycle, hence why I added the tren e and upped the test e a little. No pct for me I'm on hrt

How long since your last blast? I agree with MU as well on the pyramid. I run long cycles also and when I hit a plateau I mix up esters (cyp/enth) and change out anabolics (eq for deca) and also up the dosages slowly throughout. That way your body doesnt become accustomed to the compounds.

If it's been 2-3 months then start out around 500mg test for the first five weeks, then 750mg test for the next 5 weeks and up to 1000mg for the next 5, then 1250 for the last five or something along those lines. If you've been off for a while your body WILL respond and grow IMO.

 

[Nate]

just finished my last blast, looking at starting this in four weeks. I really don't believe in pyramiding, never tried it. As far as mixing or switching esters my test is a blend of CYP/ENATHATE 200mg of each. I think I'm gonna run the var at 100mg a day last six to eight weeks.

 

[wallyd]

i have tried tren e, test e and eq together with good results but nowhere near those doses you listed.

 

[vtliftvt]

just finished my last blast, looking at starting this in four weeks. I really don't believe in pyramiding, never tried it. As far as mixing or switching esters my test is a blend of CYP/ENATHATE 200mg of each. I think I'm gonna run the var at 100mg a day last six to eight weeks.

Not believe in pyramiding upward in dosages is just holding you back from growth IMO.

http://www.afboard.com/library/Measurement of myostatin concentrations in human serum Circulating concentrations in young and older men and effects of testosterone administration.pdf

Mol Cell Endocrinol. 2009 Apr 10;302(1):26-32. Epub 2009 Jan 21. Links

Measurement of myostatin concentrations in human serum: Circulating concentrations in young and older men and effects of testosterone administration.

Lakshman KM, Bhasin S, Corcoran C, Collins-Racie LA, Tchistiakova L, Forlow SB, St Ledger K, Burczynski ME, Dorner AJ, Lavallie ER.
Section of Endocrinology, Diabetes, and Nutrition, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston Medical Center, 670 Albany Street, Boston, MA 02118, United States.

Methodological problems, including binding of myostatin to plasma proteins and cross-reactivity of assay reagents with other proteins, have confounded myostatin measurements. Here we describe development of an accurate assay for measuring myostatin concentrations in humans. Monoclonal antibodies that bind to distinct regions of myostatin served as capture and detector antibodies in a sandwich ELISA that used acid treatment to dissociate myostatin from binding proteins. Serum from myostatin-deficient Belgian Blue cattle was used as matrix and recombinant human myostatin as standard. The quantitative range was 0.15-37.50 ng/mL. Intra- and inter-assay CVs in low, mid, and high range were 4.1%, 4.7%, and 7.2%, and 3.9%, 1.6%, and 5.2%, respectively. Myostatin protein was undetectable in sera of Belgian Blue cattle and myostatin knockout mice. Recovery in spiked sera approximated 100%. ActRIIB-Fc or anti-myostatin antibody MYO-029 had no effect on myostatin measurements when assayed at pH 2.5. Myostatin levels were higher in young than older men (mean+/-S.E.M. 8.0+/-0.3 ng/mL vs. 7.0+/-0.4 ng/mL, P=0.03). In men treated with graded doses of testosterone, myostatin levels were significantly higher on day 56 than baseline in both young and older men; changes in myostatin levels were significantly correlated with changes in total and free testosterone in young men. Myostatin levels were not significantly associated with lean body mass in either young or older men. CONCLUSION: Myostatin ELISA has the characteristics of a valid assay: nearly 100% recovery, excellent precision, accuracy, and sufficient sensitivity to enable measurement of myostatin concentrations in men and women.

PMID: 19356623 [PubMed - in process]

Check out what myostatin ELISA does and read the above then come back and tell me if you believe in it or not.

 

[Nate]

If it's been 2-3 months then start out around 500mg test for the first five weeks, then 750mg test for the next 5 weeks and up to 1000mg for the next 5, then 1250 for the last five or something along those lines. If you've been off for a while your body WILL respond and grow IMO.

I'm gonna cruise for four to six weeks at 200mg test e/cyp blend to give my body a break, then when I start the bulk I think I might try starting out my test dosage at 600mg for 5 weeks then 800 for 5 weeks then 1000 for 5, then up to 1200 for last 5 weeks. The tren e I'm considering dropping the dose down to 200mg a week and running it out to 14 weeks, then start the var then at 100mg a day. oh and the dbol might get swaped with androl at 100mg a day for 1-4 wks.

thanks for the quality input

 

[Nate]

Not believe in pyramiding upward in dosages is just holding you back from growth IMO.

http://www.afboard.com/library/Measurement of myostatin concentrations in human serum Circulating concentrations in young and older men and effects of testosterone administration.pdf

Mol Cell Endocrinol. 2009 Apr 10;302(1):26-32. Epub 2009 Jan 21. Links

Measurement of myostatin concentrations in human serum: Circulating concentrations in young and older men and effects of testosterone administration.

Lakshman KM, Bhasin S, Corcoran C, Collins-Racie LA, Tchistiakova L, Forlow SB, St Ledger K, Burczynski ME, Dorner AJ, Lavallie ER.
Section of Endocrinology, Diabetes, and Nutrition, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston Medical Center, 670 Albany Street, Boston, MA 02118, United States.

Methodological problems, including binding of myostatin to plasma proteins and cross-reactivity of assay reagents with other proteins, have confounded myostatin measurements. Here we describe development of an accurate assay for measuring myostatin concentrations in humans. Monoclonal antibodies that bind to distinct regions of myostatin served as capture and detector antibodies in a sandwich ELISA that used acid treatment to dissociate myostatin from binding proteins. Serum from myostatin-deficient Belgian Blue cattle was used as matrix and recombinant human myostatin as standard. The quantitative range was 0.15-37.50 ng/mL. Intra- and inter-assay CVs in low, mid, and high range were 4.1%, 4.7%, and 7.2%, and 3.9%, 1.6%, and 5.2%, respectively. Myostatin protein was undetectable in sera of Belgian Blue cattle and myostatin knockout mice. Recovery in spiked sera approximated 100%. ActRIIB-Fc or anti-myostatin antibody MYO-029 had no effect on myostatin measurements when assayed at pH 2.5. Myostatin levels were higher in young than older men (mean+/-S.E.M. 8.0+/-0.3 ng/mL vs. 7.0+/-0.4 ng/mL, P=0.03). In men treated with graded doses of testosterone, myostatin levels were significantly higher on day 56 than baseline in both young and older men; changes in myostatin levels were significantly correlated with changes in total and free testosterone in young men. Myostatin levels were not significantly associated with lean body mass in either young or older men. CONCLUSION: Myostatin ELISA has the characteristics of a valid assay: nearly 100% recovery, excellent precision, accuracy, and sufficient sensitivity to enable measurement of myostatin concentrations in men and women.

PMID: 19356623 [PubMed - in process]

Check out what myostatin ELISA does and read the above then come back and tell me if you believe in it or not.

I really don't understand this study, tried reading it twice. could you put in laymans terms for me

 

[vtliftvt]

Just means that as your test levels rise eventually so does myostatin (the gene that limits growth). That means you need to gradually increase test so that myostatin does not continually limit growth. At a certain point however myostatin will decline but for the first few weeks (8) it can be beneficial to increase test to eliminate myostatin rises.

 

[Nate]

Just means that as your test levels rise eventually so does myostatin (the gene that limits growth). That means you need to gradually increase test so that myostatin does not continually limit growth. At a certain point however myostatin will decline but for the first few weeks (8) it can be beneficial to increase test to eliminate myostatin rises.

Ok, I can understand the theory behind that. I will try slowly increasing my dose.

 

[SMP]

Im running the test e and the tren e at the same doses plus a shot of suspension everyday and im blowing up,ive been on 2 weeks now,and i cant believe how much better i look now that i switched to a water based suspension,man i love that shit.No orals though,i punish my body enough dont need the added stress,nor the extra gear,if you dont grow on just the injectables somethings not right.But Eq and tren e are serious cutting drugs if you wanna grow you definately gotta drop the tren,just like Freaky said.I go for the ripped look thats why i do it and adding the suspension makes me look awesome.its really awesome how we can minipulate our bodies with these compounds,dont get me wrong ,im not anywhere near Mu,but for me,i feell fantastic

 

[Nate]

Im running the test e and the tren e at the same doses plus a shot of suspension everyday and im blowing up,ive been on 2 weeks now,and i cant believe how much better i look now that i switched to a water based suspension,man i love that shit.No orals though,i punish my body enough dont need the added stress,nor the extra gear,if you dont grow on just the injectables somethings not right.But Eq and tren e are serious cutting drugs if you wanna grow you definately gotta drop the tren,just like Freaky said.I go for the ripped look thats why i do it and adding the suspension makes me look awesome.its really awesome how we can minipulate our bodies with these compounds,dont get me wrong ,im not anywhere near Mu,but for me,i feell fantastic

I love tne, but also can't resist a little dbol . I have never ran tren e for bulking. cutting on tren I get great strength gains. I'm halfway thinking about saving the tren e for a cutter next spring and upping the eq to 900mg a week

 

[SMP]

I love tne, but also can't resist a little dbol . I have never ran tren e for bulking. cutting on tren I get great strength gains. I'm halfway thinking about saving the tren e for a cutter next spring and upping the eq to 900mg a week

I dont use tren e for bulking either,its when you add the suspension with it you get alittle extra size with the ripped look tren gives you,i love those 2 together,but thats me,i dont know how it would work for anyone else,its almost impossible to gain weight on tren,with the sweating,you burn off everything,its an awesome compound though,one i use too much,but i dont get the sides from tren anymore,none at all

 

[Nate]

I dont use tren e for bulking either,its when you add the suspension with it you get alittle extra size with the ripped look tren gives you,i love those 2 together,but thats me,i dont know how it would work for anyone else,its almost impossible to gain weight on tren,with the sweating,you burn off everything,its an awesome compound though,one i use too much,but i dont get the sides from tren anymore,none at all

I actually just ran what was supposed to be a cutter with tren/mast/test prop/tne. Gained quite a bit of size, put on ten pounds and dropped some BF %. I'm gonna drop the tren e, save it for a cutter. Now I think about it I've been on tren since the end of may, might need to take a break from it! I get mild sweating and a little trouble sleeping from tren.

 

[M FREAKY]

Nate, I might be little behind asking this Q are you running any Ancillaries threw out the cycle addition I would throw in HCG during the cycle 500-1k EW

 

[Nate]

I'm running HCG 500i.u a week, adex starting at .5mg eod, increase as needed. and 50mg proviron a day.