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I'm a big fan of Novalog. It seems to work better than Humalog for me, although it is supposed to be the same. The posative thing about Novalog is that the stopper doesnt dull needles like Humalog does.
 

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I'm a big fan of Novalog. It seems to work better than Humalog for me, although it is supposed to be the same. The posative thing about Novalog is that the stopper doesnt dull needles like Humalog does.
Where can I get my hands on Novalog? I need insulin as I couldn't bring it with me cross country when i moved.
 

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I'm a big fan of Novalog. It seems to work better than Humalog for me, although it is supposed to be the same. The posative thing about Novalog is that the stopper doesnt dull needles like Humalog does.
Could you lay out your iu usage and carb intake.....
 
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Could you lay out your iu usage and carb intake.....
Once i arive home from the gym, I take 10iu/HGH subq. A few minutes later, I take in 8-10iu/Novalog, and then I follow up with a Smart Gainer shake 60g protein and 80g complex carbs (maltodextrin). About 2 hours later, I take in a solid meal of choice. I prefer meals like 8oz Talapia and 2 cups white rice, or 6oz lean ground beef and whole wheat egg white pasta. Due to the amount of GH that I take in at once, I am not worried about going hypoglycemic...the Novalog kind of sets the blood sugar to a normal level (not great at explaining).
 

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Once i arive home from the gym, I take 10iu/HGH subq. A few minutes later, I take in 8-10iu/Novalog, and then I follow up with a Smart Gainer shake 60g protein and 80g complex carbs (maltodextrin). About 2 hours later, I take in a solid meal of choice. I prefer meals like 8oz Talapia and 2 cups white rice, or 6oz lean ground beef and whole wheat egg white pasta. Due to the amount of GH that I take in at once, I am not worried about going hypoglycemic...the Novalog kind of sets the blood sugar to a normal level (not great at explaining).
So,,,, What are you getting from the 10 iu's of Gh ?and how do you determine to use the 8-10 ius of novalog, meaning where did come up with that # and how long would you run it? Did you work your way up with the novalog meaning , going from say 4iu's to 6 to 8ius?
 
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So,,,, What are you getting from the 10 iu's of Gh ?and how do you determine to use the 8-10 ius of novalog, meaning where did come up with that # and how long would you run it? Did you work your way up with the novalog meaning , going from say 4iu's to 6 to 8ius?
The 10iu of GH gives me that thickness that you mainly see on national guys and pro bb'ers (you know...the abnormal size, compared to just being big). It is just a different look.

I have been using insulin for years, and decide to keep the doses between 8-10iu because it is the dose that works the best with my body. I never have a large appetite, so eating an hour after my 80-0 calorie shake is not realistic for me. On top of that, the big boy dose of GH raises my BGL, so that dose of Nolvalog lowers it back dow, without pushing me into hypoglycemia. This allows me to eat 2 hours later, without any problems.

I only use it PWO, which is 2 days on...1 day off. So I can use it for a couple months before taking a break. If I were to use it every day, then I would only be using it for upto 6 weeks. I normally ramp it up from 6iu just to keep it safe.
 

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The 10iu of GH gives me that thickness that you mainly see on national guys and pro bb'ers (you know...the abnormal size, compared to just being big). It is just a different look.

I have been using insulin for years, and decide to keep the doses between 8-10iu because it is the dose that works the best with my body. I never have a large appetite, so eating an hour after my 80-0 calorie shake is not realistic for me. On top of that, the big boy dose of GH raises my BGL, so that dose of Nolvalog lowers it back dow, without pushing me into hypoglycemia. This allows me to eat 2 hours later, without any problems.

I only use it PWO, which is 2 days on...1 day off. So I can use it for a couple months before taking a break. If I were to use it every day, then I would only be using it for upto 6 weeks. I normally ramp it up from 6iu just to keep it safe.
So your saying the GH at 10iu's gives you the abnormal size, not the insulin? Did you run the GH at 10'ius without insulin and see big size gains, (aas were part of the program i'm assuming). How long have you been running the GH.
 
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So your saying the GH at 10iu's gives you the abnormal size, not the insulin? Did you run the GH at 10'ius without insulin and see big size gains, (aas were part of the program i'm assuming). How long have you been running the GH.
I started using insulin before I even thought about GH, and it was nothing special to me...other than a nice pump. I have done lower doses of GH alone, higher doses alone, slin alone, combined again. It just seems like the high doses of GH and a little insulin can bring you to the size that AAS just cannot. I have been running GH on and off for several years. Started higher doses about 2 years ago.
 

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I started using insulin before I even thought about GH, and it was nothing special to me...other than a nice pump. I have done lower doses of GH alone, higher doses alone, slin alone, combined again. It just seems like the high doses of GH and a little insulin can bring you to the size that AAS just cannot. I have been running GH on and off for several years. Started higher doses about 2 years ago.
When you started the insulin, what did you use as a protocol, meaning you said ok i'm doing 2iu and this is why,,, and with the GH, what did moderate doseages do for you over an extended period of time, say 5ius or so....
 
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When you started the insulin, what did you use as a protocol, meaning you said ok i'm doing 2iu and this is why,,, and with the GH, what did moderate doseages do for you over an extended period of time, say 5ius or so....
When I started using Slin, I actually started with HumalinR. Used it for a month. Started at 4iu, and took it up every few days...eventually to 10iu. It didn't do much for me at all. Now I use Novalog, and ramp it up from 6. The Slin is alot easier to tolerate when using higher doses of GH in conjunction due to the BGL.

I used between 4-5iu (depending on which brand I had) every day for about a year or so. I noticed a change in body composition, but not much of the heavy mass that the heavier doses give me.
 

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I used between 4-5iu (depending on which brand I had) every day for about a year or so. I noticed a change in body composition, but not much of the heavy mass that the heavier doses give me.
DId you gain actual muscle weight with 4-5 iu's and AS, slin combo...
 
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DId you gain actual muscle weight with 4-5 iu's and AS, slin combo...
Thats actually a hard question to answer. If I remember correctly, my bodyweight dropped...but I probably gained a little strength. So, I probably gained a little LBM, but I think it was geared more towards the AAS. Whenever I used/use doses of 4-5iu, it generally just helps me stay leaner and a littler fuller at the same time. Helping to change body composition, but not doing much for mass.

The only thing I have really done different in the last couple years is raising my dose of GH when bulking. I beleive this is what took me to a different level of thickness.

About 2 years ago, I was at the bottom of the light-heavies at 187lb on stage. Now I am at the very top of the heavyweight class. Thats between 30-40lb of LBM in the last 2 years, which is not exactly normal....even for a competitor using AAS.

I had my igf-1 levels tested a couple months after i first started using GH at 5iu/ed of Kefei blues, and they came back high...maybe in the 400's (can't remember). So, obvioulsy new cells are being created...which would be muscle. Just not mature...sadly. The 400's are not extreme, just elevated. I wanted extreme.:eek:

I think if you were to use that 4-5iu dose with Insulin, you would obviously gain some muscle, but I think it wouldn't be comparable to the higher doses.
 

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About 2 years ago, I was at the bottom of the light-heavies at 187lb on stage. Now I am at the very top of the heavyweight class. Thats between 30-40lb of LBM in the last 2 years, which is not exactly normal....even for a competitor using AAS.

I had my igf-1 levels tested a couple months after i first started using GH at 5iu/ed of Kefei blues, and they came back high...maybe in the 400's (can't remember). So, obvioulsy new cells are being created...which would be muscle. Just not mature...sadly. The 400's are not extreme, just elevated. I wanted extreme.

I think if you were to use that 4-5iu dose with Insulin, you would obviously gain some muscle, but I think it wouldn't be comparable to the higher doses.
Trying to get up to the high 190's on stage, my body reacts good with the AAS,test , deca, Eq etc,,, but their is definetely a major advangtage with the GH and slin or IGF. How were you eating during the bulk , what was your carb intake like.....
 
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Trying to get up to the high 190's on stage, my body reacts good with the AAS,test , deca, Eq etc,,, but their is definetely a major advangtage with the GH and slin or IGF. How were you eating during the bulk , what was your carb intake like.....
I was taking in alot, but not too excessive. I don't do alot all day, so I dont have to eat as much as some guys to hold my size.

1) Shredded wheats in milk, glass of milk, 6 amino tabs
2) 5 whole eggs, 5 whites, 3 packs flavored oats, 6 amino tabs
3) Shake (Smart Gainer by IDS)
-Training Time-
4) Shake (Smart Gainer)
5) 6-8oz talapia, 2 cups white rice, veggies, 6 amino tabs
6) In N Out burger, coke, 6 amino tabs
7) Shake (Real Gains by Universal)

The meals 5 and 6 sometimes vary to change it up, but you get the idea. I never really count or weigh my meals out. I just make sure I eat enough, and I go depending on how well I am growing or holding my size.

I got to the point wher AAS just wasnt doing what it used to, so I turned to other hormones and peptides.
 
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damn! your not doing a ton of carbs,,,,some junk carbs like coke:confused: , interesting!
I have about 600g of carbs...not including junk and sugars like coke. Those shakes all have 80-120g of complex carbs. And every solid meal has between 60-120g of complex carbs per meal. The junk like coke is just extra for calories and insulin spikes...I dont like to stay clean, or I wont grow like I do.
 
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