Random Thoughts - Economics and Sex - Sweetheart29: I Want Your Input

[TenMan]

Random Thoughts - Economics and Sex - Sweetheart29: I Want Your Input

Bear in mind that this is just another random thought rattling around in the mind of the TenMan.

Now that I'm back in the gym, I've been talking to a lot of people; more than 50% of them are chicks 35 years old or younger. Not bad lookers, I'd give tham about a "6 - 7" on a scale of 1 - 10, 10 being the best. Many of them have the common theme of being out-of-work or working a numer of jobs to make ends meet. I live just outside of Detroit and the employment situation here is terrible. One chick even told me that she was scraping together pop bottles to return for the deposit to make the back rent, never mind the front rent. More often than not, they use the phrase, 'I'll do anything for money!" Then they continue on saying: ..."like wait tables, clean houses and businesses, work at a car wash, shovel snow, ect..." Most of them have BA/BS degrees in some useless discipline like Sociology, Art History, English, etc...so, the conclusion is that they are not stupid people. Basically, they have fallen on hard times due to no fault of their own.

Here's where the TenMan comes in. I could easily slip any and all of these chicks a $100.00 bill and it wouldn't make the difference between butter or margarine on my table. For them, it might make a huge difference between eating for another week or going hungry. That would be real nice and benevolent of me, wouldn't it? How about I up the ante a bit? Find the best looking, most desperate chick and do a little negotiating? For example, if you go out with me for dinner, some clubbing, hang on me like I'm Brad Pitt and agree to end it with a nice fucking or sucking, I'll slip you $250.00...and obviously the dinner, drinks, room, etc...is paid by me also. The moral dilemma as I see it is that I'm married and have a couple of kids. Is there another moral dilemma that I'm missing? She gets badly needed money in exchange for a night on the town and giving me absolute attention all night....she may not like the ending, but hey, it's all part of te deal...and if she agrees to it, no dilemma exists as I see it. Strictly business.

I didn't cook this out of any desperate situation on my part, but out of opportunity I identified. I can easily pick up nice looking young(er) chicks at my age (49), but it's too dangerous to my marriage and financial situation to have to go through all that bullshit. This way, it's quick, clean, both get what they want, and there are no strings attached.

Thoughts?

TenMan

 

[juaneye]

1. what if your wife finds out?
2. do you want to stab your wife in the back?
3. would you feel like a heal since your wife has stuck with you through thick and thin?
4. your wife stayed with you when you were not feeling well a couple years ago, would you feel guilty afterwords? and would that be worth an hour of physical pleasure?

on the other hand, we are men and do feel the need to spread our seed, so i understand the thought at hand!!

 

[Sweettart29]

Okay so where would u like my input???


I am a mother of 4 kids and I pay child support to my ex husband for the older two....I do not have a degree, the job I do I actually learned from doing I started out as a cook at a pizza joint and now I am a manufacturing rep for a company that builds printed circuit boards.

Now on the other hand I have a sister who is 32 she has two children that do not live with her and she does not pay child support, she has been engaged 7 different times. Gotten a boob job (mind u I have stated that I want fake boobs but I am not relying on anyone else to pay for them but me) and what ever else she could from the 7 men she was engaged to and has NEVER lived by herself since she was 17...Today she has her own 1 bedroom apartment and does live alone but she borrowed the money for a down payment from her boss and the guy she used to live with. She is one of those girls that has a to have new clothes everytime you turn around and probably only wears one thing once and then throws it out!!!

So if you would like to know morally if someone like me would take u up on your offer then I would have to tell u that I would have to be on the verge of lossing everything I had including my house and my kids before I could morally sleep with a married man or any man for that matter and take money for it....My sister on the other hand would jump in the sack with you take you for everything she could and not think twice about it...Oh and I should add that she has herpes and does not tell anyone until they have atleast slept with her twice or more...

My other problem is could u wake up in the morning and look yourself in the mirror and live with the fact that you being married paid another woman to have sex with you? I know I couldn't do that to any woman whether I knew her or not, I know how it feels to be used and I would not wish it on anyone...

 

[d-red]

my question is...where are these girls? i don`t know any girls who would do that for money. especially at MY gym. not your averege,good lookin,normal chic.

 

[TenMan]

my question is...where are these girls? i don`t know any girls who would do that for money. especially at MY gym. not your averege,good lookin,normal chic.

The proposal is hypothetical. I could easily get slapped down real quick, but in Detroit, unemployment is like 22%. The chick who was collecting bottles just to get the deposit money to help pay the back rent is a prime example. She is in a desperate position; i am in a position to help her out...albeit not in the most honorable way, but if it is looked at as a business arrangement, what's the harm? Sure, it's a gamble, but the chick answers either yes or no. I don't care if she thinks I'm a scum bag for proposing such an arrangement. We sell our souls each day for money, working like dogs to pay the bills. This would be one easy, fun way to have a free night on the town and earn some money in the process.

TenMan

 

[TenMan]

Okay so where would u like my input???


I am a mother of 4 kids and I pay child support to my ex husband for the older two....I do not have a degree, the job I do I actually learned from doing I started out as a cook at a pizza joint and now I am a manufacturing rep for a company that builds printed circuit boards.

Now on the other hand I have a sister who is 32 she has two children that do not live with her and she does not pay child support, she has been engaged 7 different times. Gotten a boob job (mind u I have stated that I want fake boobs but I am not relying on anyone else to pay for them but me) and what ever else she could from the 7 men she was engaged to and has NEVER lived by herself since she was 17...Today she has her own 1 bedroom apartment and does live alone but she borrowed the money for a down payment from her boss and the guy she used to live with. She is one of those girls that has a to have new clothes everytime you turn around and probably only wears one thing once and then throws it out!!!

So if you would like to know morally if someone like me would take u up on your offer then I would have to tell u that I would have to be on the verge of lossing everything I had including my house and my kids before I could morally sleep with a married man or any man for that matter and take money for it....My sister on the other hand would jump in the sack with you take you for everything she could and not think twice about it...Oh and I should add that she has herpes and does not tell anyone until they have atleast slept with her twice or more...

My other problem is could u wake up in the morning and look yourself in the mirror and live with the fact that you being married paid another woman to have sex with you? I know I couldn't do that to any woman whether I knew her or not, I know how it feels to be used and I would not wish it on anyone...

Thanks. I wanted a female perspective and you're the only female I know of on the boards.

You hit on exactly what i am hitting on...desperate people. For instance, i would have to be in a very desperate situation to work as a janitor cleaning toilets and restrooms. This would be about as demoralizing as it would come for me. On the other hand, if an older, decent looking lady wanted me to be her escort for a night...and pay me a decent wage for the night, I wouldn't think twice about it if I was broke. However, this is from a man's perspective, I wanted to hear from your (a woman's) perspective.

Sure, there is plenty of risk. STD's, black mail, robbery, etc...but, it's the same risk that would be carried with any standard affair. Actually, my method would carry lesser of a risk as it would be cut-n-dried. No lies, no cloak and dagger, simply an exchange of money for a good time; both parties get what they are seeking...it is "emotionless."

I think though, there is a varying degree of moral degredation. It seems to me that to pay for a good time and be done with it is less morally wrong than to lead the other party along with a string of lies and deceit (not to mention the same pack of lies and deceit with your wife) than to just find the correct chick who needs money and is willing to participate in the agreement.

What if the fucking and/or sucking were taken out of the arrangement, would it be more acceptable? Meaning, come out with me as an escort, adore me all night long, make out with me as I want it, then at the end of the night I pay you whatever we agreed upon and we go our seperate ways. Deal made, deal over.

TenMan

 

[TenMan]

1. what if your wife finds out?
2. do you want to stab your wife in the back?
3. would you feel like a heal since your wife has stuck with you through thick and thin?
4. your wife stayed with you when you were not feeling well a couple years ago, would you feel guilty afterwords? and would that be worth an hour of physical pleasure?

on the other hand, we are men and do feel the need to spread our seed, so i understand the thought at hand!!

Understood and points well taken, however this is not an attack on her. It is selfish pleasure. I think a wife would be much more pissed if there were emotions involved (like in a standard affair) than if it was just a simple pay for pleasure type of thing. When she was last in Vegas and got put on stage and played around with by the male strippers, I couldn't have cared less. she really had a good time and I was happy for her. It was a one (1) time thing with zero emotional attachment, so why not let her have fun, made no difference to me.

For example: When i go to batchelor parties, I tell my wife exactly what went on. If I get a dance nad feel up the girl all over, I don't hide it from my wife. I don't throw it in her face either, but if she asks if I got a dance and felt up the chick, I tell her exactly what I did. I cannot really ever tell if she is upset or not, she never seems to be. Actually, she want to know all the details, like if i touched her tits, pussy, ass, etc... Really, she seems to be more concerned with the money I spent on the chick than anything else.

TenMan

 

[Sweettart29]

See my problem is I am one of those people that have way to much respect for myself to even think about it..Plus I have a daughter and I do not want her thinking that it is okay to be looked at as a peice of meat....PLUS if these chicks are so hard up then how on earth are they able to pay for the gym membership!!!! that would be the first thing to go if I could not pay the rent!!!

I guess it all depends on the person. I came from a family of six, I am the oldest child and I remember everything that my parents went through to put food in our mouths and there were times when we had absolutely NOTHING...I mean we lived without power for two years. And if it hadn't been for a neighbor one year we would not have had a xmas at all......so for a woman with self respect I would have to be out of every option to even consider it...sex or no sex...

Thanks. I wanted a female perspective and you're the only female I know of on the boards.

You hit on exactly what i am hitting on...desperate people. For instance, i would have to be in a very desperate situation to work as a janitor cleaning toilets and restrooms. This would be about as demoralizing as it would come for me. On the other hand, if an older, decent looking lady wanted me to be her escort for a night...and pay me a decent wage for the night, I wouldn't think twice about it if I was broke. However, this is from a man's perspective, I wanted to hear from your (a woman's) perspective.

Sure, there is plenty of risk. STD's, black mail, robbery, etc...but, it's the same risk that would be carried with any standard affair. Actually, my method would carry lesser of a risk as it would be cut-n-dried. No lies, no cloak and dagger, simply an exchange of money for a good time; both parties get what they are seeking...it is "emotionless."

I think though, there is a varying degree of moral degredation. It seems to me that to pay for a good time and be done with it is less morally wrong than to lead the other party along with a string of lies and deceit (not to mention the same pack of lies and deceit with your wife) than to just find the correct chick who needs money and is willing to participate in the agreement.

What if the fucking and/or sucking were taken out of the arrangement, would it be more acceptable? Meaning, come out with me as an escort, adore me all night long, make out with me as I want it, then at the end of the night I pay you whatever we agreed upon and we go our seperate ways. Deal made, deal over.

TenMan

 

[TenMan]

See my problem is I am one of those people that have way to much respect for myself to even think about it..Plus I have a daughter and I do not want her thinking that it is okay to be looked at as a peice of meat....PLUS if these chicks are so hard up then how on earth are they able to pay for the gym membership!!!! that would be the first thing to go if I could not pay the rent!!!

I guess it all depends on the person. I came from a family of six, I am the oldest child and I remember everything that my parents went through to put food in our mouths and there were times when we had absolutely NOTHING...I mean we lived without power for two years. And if it hadn't been for a neighbor one year we would not have had a xmas at all......so for a woman with self respect I would have to be out of every option to even consider it...sex or no sex...

I understand. You sound like a real proper person

Yeah, the gym memebership thing threw me also. Month-to-month it's $40.00 with an annual $80.00 fee. maybe they paid for the entire year and are just riding it out. Or , their priorities are not in perspective.

Thanks for your thoughts. Like i put in the title, "Random Thoughts." I think about a lot of stuff, not that I act on much of it, but just wanted to see what folks thought.

TenMan

 

[Preacher]

Tenman, chick will and have proven it over time that they will do anything for money. Its simple, if you offer they will come. Pick the one chick in the gym that looks desperate enough and like to talk to other chicks. You plant the seed in her head, that your willing to "help" them out and you will have other chicks calling and you won't have to ask anyone. At first they will be disgusted but they will think about it and they will come around.........

 

[Phreezer]

What you are suggesting is exploiting someone's desperate situation for personal sexual gratification.

I'm not your moral compass but since you asked for opinions I will offer mine.

Personaly, I would think that honoring your commitment to your wife should be your #1 priority. I know you and she had problems in the past with some fidelity issues on her part but you both agreed to move on and be faithful to each other from that point forward. Since that agreement with your wife was struck she has stuck with you through some pretty rough ground so I'd say that it's more than obvious she is committed to making things work with you... Personaly, I wouldn't risk throwing that away.

Maybe you don't equate fidelity with love.. but because you are a practicing catholic shouldn't you honor your vowes and the commitment you made to your wife in front of God, your church and your family...?

Also, and I don't mean any offense with this comment but I think it would be a pretty low thing to do to someone to try and exploit their desperate financial situation for sex. Forget that you're a married man for a momment, and just look at what you're suggesting. Praying on someone's desperation so you can get sex from them is one of the lowest things you can do to someone.. You can try and rationalize it as some sort of "business transaction" but at the end of the day you are being a predator taking advantage of desperate situations and asking someone to compromise themself in the worst way for a little bit of money..

Just some things to think about...

 

[Sweettart29]

OMG you totally have me LMFAO with that one!!!

I am FAR from being a proper person lol...

I just don't want my daughter or son's growing up thinkin that it is okay to use yourself or someone else in anyway to get the things you want that you can't afford...I look at it as if you can't pay for it then you don't need it....

I have honestly been in many situations where I was going to be out on my ass if I did not come up with atleast two months rent, but I found a way to get the money, usally working my ass off and going without certain things, and there was one time that I borrowed money from Hallie and Derick's dad to fix my car but I paid him back ever cent I borrowed....

I understand. You sound like a real proper person

Yeah, the gym memebership thing threw me also. Month-to-month it's $40.00 with an annual $80.00 fee. maybe they paid for the entire year and are just riding it out. Or , their priorities are not in perspective.

Thanks for your thoughts. Like i put in the title, "Random Thoughts." I think about a lot of stuff, not that I act on much of it, but just wanted to see what folks thought.

TenMan

 

[Oldtimer]

Being married and asking about this is as immoral as it can get. If you're not happy in your marriage; move on. People fooling around and trying to come up with excuses (it's only flesh-on-flesh, no emotions involved, I'm not happy in my marriage, she fooled around before etc etc) and justifying this are only fooling themselves. This is immoral and wrong, period.

And even if you were not married, trying to exploit someone in need and asking them to sleep with you is immoral as well. If giving 100$ doesn't break my budget and I know someone is in desperate need, I'd just give it to them, you don't have to get something in return for every deed you do.

 

[Eleven11]

Id do it but ONLY if she slept with my wife too ..............11

 

[TenMan]

What you are suggesting is exploiting someone's desperate situation for personal sexual gratification.

I'm not your moral compass but since you asked for opinions I will offer mine.

Personaly, I would think that honoring your commitment to your wife should be your #1 priority. I know you and she had problems in the past with some fidelity issues on her part but you both agreed to move on and be faithful to each other from that point forward. Since that agreement with your wife was struck she has stuck with you through some pretty rough ground so I'd say that it's more than obvious she is committed to making things work with you... Personaly, I wouldn't risk throwing that away.

Maybe you don't equate fidelity with love.. but because you are a practicing catholic shouldn't you honor your vowes and the commitment you made to your wife in front of God, your church and your family...?

Also, and I don't mean any offense with this comment but I think it would be a pretty low thing to do to someone to try and exploit their desperate financial situation for sex. Forget that you're a married man for a momment, and just look at what you're suggesting. Praying on someone's desperation so you can get sex from them is one of the lowest things you can do to someone.. You can try and rationalize it as some sort of "business transaction" but at the end of the day you are being a predator taking advantage of desperate situations and asking someone to compromise themself in the worst way for a little bit of money..

Just some things to think about...

I appreciate the feedback. However, as I pointed out on OLM, would it be any worse that scooping up their jewelry for pennies on the dollar? Say, $100.00 for their dead mother and fathers wedding bands? so they can eat for a week? Pawn shops do it all day long.

The fact of the matter is that it really is "thriving on their chaos," but as I've heard it many times before, "nobody poured the alcohol down your throat." Meaning: it's not like the chick is being gagged and raped, she has free will, a choice, yes or no. Think for a moment....maybe she will see "opportunity" in the proposal.

Being married certainly does put a chink in the morality of all of this, but what if a guy were single? And only wanted an escort for a Saturday night? Does the morality issue become "less?"

TenMan

 

[TenMan]

OMG you totally have me LMFAO with that one!!!

I am FAR from being a proper person lol...
I just don't want my daughter or son's growing up thinkin that it is okay to use yourself or someone else in anyway to get the things you want that you can't afford...I look at it as if you can't pay for it then you don't need it....

I have honestly been in many situations where I was going to be out on my ass if I did not come up with atleast two months rent, but I found a way to get the money, usally working my ass off and going without certain things, and there was one time that I borrowed money from Hallie and Derick's dad to fix my car but I paid him back ever cent I borrowed....

Strange reaction...as if you are proud of being "improper." Curious indeed.

TenMan

 

[TenMan]

Being married and asking about this is as immoral as it can get. If you're not happy in your marriage; move on. People fooling around and trying to come up with excuses (it's only flesh-on-flesh, no emotions involved, I'm not happy in my marriage, she fooled around before etc etc) and justifying this are only fooling themselves. This is immoral and wrong, period.

And even if you were not married, trying to exploit someone in need and asking them to sleep with you is immoral as well. If giving 100$ doesn't break my budget and I know someone is in desperate need, I'd just give it to them, you don't have to get something in return for every deed you do.

But we always do get something in return for everything we do. Everytime I put money in a Salvation Army pot, I gained a sense of self satisfaction that what I was doing was a good thing. I put the money in the pot knowing that I would gain a good feeling from it. I don't ever remember thinking of providing some bum a meal for the $5.00 I put in the pot.

My "random thought" may be immoral, but it is certainly not as immoral as it gets, not really even close as i see it...

TenMan

 

[Phreezer]

You're just rationalizing one nefarious act by referencing other nefarious acts. IMO It's immoral no matter what you reference it against.

Personaly, I despise pawn shops and rent to own places. They prey on people in bad and desperate situations.

And yes, IMO it's still immoral even if you're single.

I appreciate the feedback. However, as I pointed out on OLM, would it be any worse that scooping up their jewelry for pennies on the dollar? Say, $100.00 for their dead mother and fathers wedding bands? so they can eat for a week? Pawn shops do it all day long.

The fact of the matter is that it really is "thriving on their chaos," but as I've heard it many times before, "nobody poured the alcohol down your throat." Meaning: it's not like the chick is being gagged and raped, she has free will, a choice, yes or no. Think for a moment....maybe she will see "opportunity" in the proposal.

Being married certainly does put a chink in the morality of all of this, but what if a guy were single? And only wanted an escort for a Saturday night? Does the morality issue become "less?"

TenMan

 

[Phreezer]

I'm a little confused as to why you would need a woman to go out to the clubs with you, hang on you, make out with you and build you up under obviously false pretenses.

She would only be doing it for the money.. You would know she was only doing it for the money.. so how could that massage your ego, make you feel better or fill whatever hole you have inside you if you already know the only reason she's even there with you is because you're paying her to be there with you..?

When it was all said and done I think paying someone for companionship or sex would actually make me feel worse.

You can make whatever offers you want bro. it's your life and only you can choose what to do with it.

If I were you though I would keep in mind what your wife and children would think of you if they found out you were offering money to financially desperate women in exchange for sex and night club companionship.

Peace..

 

[Sweettart29]

Strange reaction...as if you are proud of being "improper." Curious indeed.

TenMan

Hell where I come from being PROPER is frowned upon lol...

I'm not one of those chicks that is afraid to break a nail or get dirty....Hell I can change a tire and fix a radiator and tell you when the altenator is gone in your damn car....

There is a big difference between being PROPER and setting the right kind of example for the people or should I say little people that look up to you...