How to train for size and power

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shaqdeezl

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How to train for size and power

I was reading a friendly debate in the Pictures forum about how to properly train. I agree, not every 'program' fits everyone's desires or lifestyle. However, I think we can all agree that the body responds to stress - the greater the stress the greater the response.

A few years ago a three-time IPF champion opened my eyes to really stressing out your body. It wasn't a rep scheme, or do 'this' on 'that' day, do 'this' three times a week and 'that' twice a week. His concept was extremely simple.

Put a tonnage mark on the wall for your workouts and hit that mark within 60 minutes. Of course, the higher the mark, the more lifting (stress) you must accomplish. You do not get one extra minute, but if you manage to squeeze in a few more pounds within that hour what do you think will happen? Of course, you will grow.

For example, he started me with 20,000 pounds on my first leg day with him. I hit 20,000 pounds in 55 minutes. His response? "You're a fucking pussy. You walked to the water fountain between almost every set. You bullshitted with me about competitions between every set. Bring water, shut your fucking mouth, and fucking lift. If you won't do that, you won't be lifting with me again."

I kept waiting on him to smile, but he never did. He was dead serious. More on this in a second.

Set goals for each workout. 'Getting a good pump' is a fucking bullshit way to approach a day in the gym. On leg days start with 15-20000 pounds in 60 minutes as a goal. Once you reach that go for 22000 on your next leg day. On chest day shoot for 12-15K pounds. On back day, 20-25K pounds. Warm ups and accessory exercises do count, but if you attempt to pad your total with these exercises you do not belong in the gym. Or, at least, don't do them while I'm around because I'll call you a pussy directly to your face. Cheat the total - you cheat yourself. Bottom line.

Of course, this approach may not make much sense for arms, calves, and other pretty muscles but IT DOES make perfect sense for legs, back, and chest - or the core muscles.

Lastly, you must have an attitude when training for size and power. 3-4 weeks ago my IPOD battery died and all I could hear were these three assholes joking and carrying on in the gym. I told them if they wanted to bullshit and play grab ass they needed to take that shit outside. One got a bit offended but, nevertheless, they shut the fuck up and left. Bring water, shut the fuck up, and fucking train hard. You have one hour to reach 25000 pounds and if you don't make it it's because you're a pussy. If you don't make it, you cheated yourself.

Peace.

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juiced2damax

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Nice method, never heard or thought of doing it that way...I may try that during my bulker and see how I like it, and I feel your pain when the Ipod dies...I hate hearing all the BS convos...I train solo and make no eye contact with anyone...I'm going off topic now, back to your training method..Have you used it, I was unclear if you were telling the story or you were relaying this from someone elses experience.
 
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shaqdeezl

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I'm lifting like this now while losing BF. It's good shit.
 
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shaqdeezl

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Try it for a week. It will show you just how much you really are capable of in the gym. There's absolutely nothing like a 35K pound leg day.
 

Preacher

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sounds intresting....

But for chest day i would have to eliminate incline bench as its pretty weak :D
 

-MU-

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SO let me add this up....a typical Leg day for me is this all usually done is 45 minutes.

Squats-
135 x12
225x12
315x10
365-10
405-6-8
365-8
315-X10

Leg presses
10 plates x12
14platesx12
18 plates-10
20plates-10
24 plates-8

Leg extensions

120x10
150x10
18-x10
200x10

WTF does this add up to ?

Also have calves in there as well.
 
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shaqdeezl

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SO let me add this up....a typical Leg day for me is this all usually done is 45 minutes.

Squats-
135 x12
1620
225x12
2700
315x10
3150
365-10
3650
405-6-8
2430
365-8
2920
315-X10
3150
19620
Leg presses
10 plates x12
5400
14platesx12
7560
18 plates-10
8100
20plates-10
9000
24 plates-8
8640
Leg extensions

120x10
1200
150x10
1500
18-x10
1800
200x10
2000
5500
WTF does this add up to ?

Also have calves in there as well.
A shit pot full. 65K pounds??????
 
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shaqdeezl

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would this be overtraining ??? and whats a good # to hit on chest day ?
Overtraining? I think if you did 64K pounds you'd be undertraining.

When I was doing powerlifting only (just flat bench work on chest day) I'd shoot for 18K pounds. Now that I include incline DBs, flyes, etc., my chest day number is 30K pounds. Anything less and I should be in the spin cycle class.
 

-MU-

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ok cool....well Im new to this # system thingy, just trying to figure out if Im a big pussy or not....LOL
Overtraining? I think if you did 64K pounds you'd be undertraining.

When I was doing powerlifting only (just flat bench work on chest day) I'd shoot for 18K pounds. Now that I include incline DBs, flyes, etc., my chest day number is 30K pounds. Anything less and I should be in the spin cycle class.
 

-MU-

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I do think Im a bit weak for my bodyweight....but then again I have never really tried to be ultra strong in the gym....I try to lift with perfect form and really concentrate on the muscle.....I tend to train like a bodybuilder.
 
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shaqdeezl

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I do think Im a bit weak for my bodyweight....but then again I have never really tried to be ultra strong in the gym....I try to lift with perfect form and really concentrate on the muscle.....I tend to train like a bodybuilder.
I've just started doing this within the last two months. After my hips, knees, shoulders, and elbows wouldn't work for days after a session I had to give it up. There was ZERO quality of life for me. And, after multiple state records, two American records, and four overall wins, what did it do for me? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

It's gonna be show time!
 
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shaqdeezl

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MU,

I'm glad you posted here. I've always taken pride in my intensity in the gym. Until I read your post last week I thought I was doing things. So, this morning I wanted 50K pounds. In 60 minutes I did 15 minutes of cardio and hit 52245 pounds. My ass is totally fucking kicked. Thanks for the motivation!

SD
 

-MU-

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cool glad I could help....Here is my chest day yesterday add these up, however I dont think this will be as motivating....LOL


Flat Bench

set-1-135x12
set-2-225x12
Set-3-275X10
Set-4-315-5
Set-5-275x6
Set-6-225x10

Incline DB press

Set-1-100's X 10
Set-2-110x8
Set-3-120's x6

Cable Cross overs

Set-1-(60 each side)
Set-2-(80 each side)
Set-3-(100 each side)

I did tri's as well but just want to see what kind of numbers these are.....I suspect not that good.

MU,

I'm glad you posted here. I've always taken pride in my intensity in the gym. Until I read your post last week I thought I was doing things. So, this morning I wanted 50K pounds. In 60 minutes I did 15 minutes of cardio and hit 52245 pounds. My ass is totally fucking kicked. Thanks for the motivation!

SD
 
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shaqdeezl

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~16695. Not bad.

My $.02...

Do you feel as if you really need a set of 135 x 12 and 225 x 12 to get warm? In my humble opinion I think this is too much and takes away from your real work sets. I do 135 x 2 x 5 and 225 x 2 x 5 for warm ups and find I have much more gas at the top end.
 

-MU-

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May try that man.....I just have always warmed up this way. I will try your suggestions for sure.
~16695. Not bad.

My $.02...

Do you feel as if you really need a set of 135 x 12 and 225 x 12 to get warm? In my humble opinion I think this is too much and takes away from your real work sets. I do 135 x 2 x 5 and 225 x 2 x 5 for warm ups and find I have much more gas at the top end.
 

-MU-

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Crazy cause I dont think that at all.....Especially on flat Bench.....but oh well I just lift what I can.
I feel like a weakling lookin at Muscleup's numbers, jeezuz.

Your a strong motherfucker bro, that is all.:D
 
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