flayling other flags in America

[Bigkarch]

flayling other flags in America

what the fuck....I wish it was illegal for anyone to fly another countries flag here in the USA...dont care if you belong or a citizen of another country ..Dont fucking fly your flag...Its America...Im tired of seeing another country's flag flying in American...Mostly Mexico........Thats not right..

If you want to fly a Mexico Flag go to Mexico...If I went to mexico to live and flew the American Flag.......what do you thing would happen..

I as a proud American dont want other countries flag flying here..On Cinco De Mayo I see a lot of mexicans flying the mexican flag...most of them dont know what cinco de mayo means............they think its Mexican Idepindance day.. WRONG

But you live in America.....if your so proud of Mexico stay there...if you have a sticker of I love michocaon or I am so and so


stay there and make it better.........if your so proud of your country and origin dont go to California or part of American and say how great and proud of your country you are...stay they are or go back there and make it better....make it better.......stay in let Mexico make it better

stay there make it better if you are so proud of your heritge.

 

[M FREAKY]

Well thick has Rambo Flag on his car what's wrong with that..
FTW, can you plz find thick-less car picture for me,,,,
Thx

 

[billet5]

I saw an email one time that reversed all the shit that goes on here with mexicans wanting to be legal and their flags and bumper stickers. It put an interesting perspective. I wish I could find it, it talked about how if I went to mexico and demanded that they speak english, fly my american flag, march down the street demanding my rights as an american, etc.

 

[boston basher]

what the fuck....I wish it was illegal for anyone to fly another countries flag here in the USA...dont care if you belong or a citizen of another country ..Dont fucking fly your flag...Its America...Im tired of seeing another country's flag flying in American...Mostly Mexico........Thats not right..

If you want to fly a Mexico Flag go to Mexico...If I went to mexico to live and flew the American Flag.......what do you thing would happen..

I as a proud American dont want other countries flag flying here..On Cinco De Mayo I see a lot of mexicans flying the mexican flag...most of them dont know what cinco de mayo means............they think its Mexican Idepindance day.. WRONG

But you live in America.....if your so proud of Mexico stay there...if you have a sticker of I love michocaon or I am so and so


stay there and make it better.........if your so proud of your country and origin dont go to California or part of American and say how great and proud of your country you are...stay they are or go back there and make it better....make it better.......stay in let Mexico make it better

stay there make it better if you are so proud of your heritge.

I couldnt agree more, GREAT post!!!!!

 

[FTW]

Is a Confederate flag looked at as an "American flag" in your eyes?

 

[TenMan]

I flew the swastika once and my neighbors got pissed. I told them that this is America and I could fly it on my property if I liked and they could go to hell. One guy called the cops on me. The cop was a real assshole...knew he had nothing, but still bothered me for like 1/2 hour.

Later that night, I went over to the neighbors house. He has one of those mail slots that go through the front door. I slipped his garden hose through it and turned it on. I don't know how long it was on (maybe overnight), but the next day he had all kinds of rugs and furniture at the curb ready for the garbage man to take.

When I saw this, I ran the swastika back up the flag pole and masterbated to the thought of his misfortune to fuck with me. The swastike still flies, but now it has a jolly roger flying underneath it.

TenMan

 

[Thinkbig]

THATS GOTTA BE THE FUNNIEST SHIT I HAVE READ IN A LONG WHILE MAN...lol


DAMN.

 

[boston basher]

I flew the swastika once and my neighbors got pissed. I told them that this is America and I could fly it on my property if I liked and they could go to hell. One guy called the cops on me. The cop was a real assshole...knew he had nothing, but still bothered me for like 1/2 hour.

Later that night, I went over to the neighbors house. He has one of those mail slots that go through the front door. I slipped his garden hose through it and turned it on. I don't know how long it was on (maybe overnight), but the next day he had all kinds of rugs and furniture at the curb ready for the garbage man to take.

When I saw this, I ran the swastika back up the flag pole and masterbated to the thought of his misfortune to fuck with me. The swastike still flies, but now it has a jolly roger flying underneath it.

TenMan

holy fucking shit, I found this very funny

 

[Phreezer]

Is a Confederate flag looked at as an "American flag" in your eyes?

No.. IMO it's the banner of traitors. I associate the rebel flag more with being a traitor to the U.S.A. than I do with slavery and redneck behaviorisms.

However, I do respect and believe in a persons right to display those flags in a manner that does not impede anyone else's rights.

 

[FTW]

No.. IMO it's the banner of traitors. I associate the rebel flag more with being a traitor to the U.S.A. than I do with slavery and redneck behaviorisms.

However, I do respect and believe in a persons right to display those flags in a manner that does not impede anyone else's rights.

BUT!

The civil war did not start over slavery, it started over Union vs state government. That fight still rages on today.

So your saying rather than speak out , protest and fight the way the G'ment is ass fucking EVERYBODY this day and time we should all bend over and take it like the bitches we have become? Is that the new American way?


Hell, I tip my hat to the southern boys that told the union government to go fuck themself. They had no way of winning but put up on hell of a fight for what they believed to be right. If you wana look at it as traitors then all "Americans" are guilty of it for going against the British in the revolutionary war and standing up for what they thought was right.

I guess to get a full grasp of what went on you would have had to live back in those times.

 

[Phreezer]

Now that's not fair. You're twisting what I said. Drawing parrellels to things I did not. I am for speaking out. I am for protesting. I am for standing up for what one believes is right. I never said i wasn't. Had I been a teenager in the 60's or 70's I would have probably been a hippy... But back to the topic at hand..

Of course the civil war was't fought completely over slavery. It was howver "THE" number one issue.

I understand how and why our country was founded. And agree with our forefather's need to secede from the British empire.

The Civil war was fought over many different reasons. And slavery and the the election of Lincoln, who the South perceived to be an abolitionist, was the final straw that broke the camels back, so to speak. Fear over the new president of the U.S. caused a secession of seven Southern states. which was evidenced by the fact that it took place soon after Lincoln took the white house.

A huge catalyst for the civil war despite what southerners say was in fact slavery issues. Southern states wanted to allow slaves in new territories while Northern states did not. The Wilmot Proviso of 1846, roused bitter hostilities, and vehement debate turned to physical violence during the period of 'Bleeding Kansas'. The south fearful of having an abolitionist in the white house (because they feared they would lose their cheap and free labor manning their cotton and tobacco crops) wanted to become an independent nation.

There were of course many other reasons why the South wanted to succeed but the main reason had to do with the North's view on slavery. Also the North favored a loose interpretation of the United States Constitution. They wanted to grant the federal government increased powers. The South wanted to reserve all undefined powers to the individual states. The North also wanted internal improvements sponsored by the federal government. This was more roads, railroads, and ferrys. The south opposed this because it would mean higher taxes.


But make no mistake. Slavery was the largest cataylist for the American Civil war. The south feared for their livelyhood which was built on the backs of free slave labor. They feared a cut into their profits due to higher taxes the north was imposing for better roads, railroads, city officials and political infrastructure.

IMO (which we are entitled to and I respect your right to have one as well) The southerners were not freedom fighters. They were not rebels standing up for a valiant cause. they were not dying to protect their own or anyone elses freedom. They fought to continue a crude, cruel and barbaric way of life. Can I understand why they fought? Yes, I can see where fear of losing your livelyhood would make a man want to fight. But they were truly on the wrong side. And I'm proud to say the United States of America was able to stop the secession and unite our country to become the greatest country in the world.

I am a patriot. And no, I am not happy about what my government is currently doing. However, I am choosing to exercise my voice through the voting polls.

Should I ever have to make that choice and stand up for what I believe in. I will do so with utmost haste and fervor. I will die on my feet before I will live on my knees. But certainly we have come no where near that point in this political climate.

BUT!

The civil war did not start over slavery, it started over Union vs state government. That fight still rages on today.

So your saying rather than speak out , protest and fight the way the G'ment is ass fucking EVERYBODY this day and time we should all bend over and take it like the bitches we have become? Is that the new American way?


Hell, I tip my hat to the southern boys that told the union government to go fuck themself. They had no way of winning but put up on hell of a fight for what they believed to be right. If you wana look at it as traitors then all "Americans" are guilty of it for going against the British in the revolutionary war and standing up for what they thought was right.

I guess to get a full grasp of what went on you would have had to live back in those times.

 

[FTW]

Now that's not fair. You're twisting what I said. Drawing parrellels to things I did not. I am for speaking out. I am for protesting. I am for standing up for what one believes is right. I never said i wasn't. Had I been a teenager in the 60's or 70's I would have probably been a hippy... But back to the topic at hand..

Of course the civil war was't fought completely over slavery. It was howver "THE" number one issue.

I understand how and why our country was founded. And agree with our forefather's need to secede from the British empire.

The Civil war was fought over many different reasons. And slavery and the the election of Lincoln, who the South perceived to be an abolitionist, was the final straw that broke the camels back, so to speak. Fear over the new president of the U.S. caused a secession of seven Southern states. which was evidenced by the fact that it took place soon after Lincoln took the white house.

A huge catalyst for the civil war despite what southerners say was in fact slavery issues. Southern states wanted to allow slaves in new territories while Northern states did not. The Wilmot Proviso of 1846, roused bitter hostilities, and vehement debate turned to physical violence during the period of 'Bleeding Kansas'. The south fearful of having an abolitionist in the white house (because they feared they would lose their cheap and free labor manning their cotton and tobacco crops) wanted to become an independent nation.

There were of course many other reasons why the South wanted to succeed but the main reason had to do with the North's view on slavery. Also the North favored a loose interpretation of the United States Constitution. They wanted to grant the federal government increased powers. The South wanted to reserve all undefined powers to the individual states. The North also wanted internal improvements sponsored by the federal government. This was more roads, railroads, and ferrys. The south opposed this because it would mean higher taxes.


But make no mistake. Slavery was the largest cataylist for the American Civil war. The south feared for their livelyhood which was built on the backs of free slave labor. They feared a cut into their profits due to higher taxes the north was imposing for better roads, railroads, city officials and political infrastructure.

IMO (which we are entitled to and I respect your right to have one as well) The southerners were not freedom fighters. They were not rebels standing up for a valiant cause. they were not dying to protect their own or anyone elses freedom. They fought to continue a crude, cruel and barbaric way of life. Can I understand why they fought? Yes, I can see where fear of losing your livelyhood would make a man want to fight. But they were truly on the wrong side. And I'm proud to say the United States of America was able to stop the secession and unite our country to become the greatest country in the world.

I am a patriot. And no, I am not happy about what my government is currently doing. However, I am choosing to exercise my voice through the voting polls.

Should I ever have to make that choice and stand up for what I believe in. I will do so with utmost haste and fervor. I will die on my feet before I will live on my knees. But certainly we have come no where near that point in this political climate.

You forgot to mention that the north had slaves also and when they no longer had the need for them such as the south did was when the north abolished slavery. Its not like the south was the only side in the wrong,,,its was the north that fixed the wrong first and then wanted union government to over rule state government. Such as Marijuana is legal in the "state" of California but is still illegal by federal government and that trumps state g'ment.

For almost half of the nation to rise up and say kiss my ass it had to been something other than just waiting to kill your fellow man just for the hell of it. Like I said... I would guess a person would have had to live in those time to see the whole concept of how a "civil" war broke out and pitted brother against brother. Since the south lost your not gona read 100% of there story in history books, but had they won the north would be made out to look like the bad guys in the history books. Either way it had to be one of the most brutal battles ever and should not be forgot so we can learn from mistakes.

Funny how the north was against the owning of slaves but it was perfectly ok to murder and take the land of the native American. I do not view the native American Indians as trators either just because some stood up and fought the union army rather than just lay flat on there backs.

 

[Phreezer]

Funny how the north was against the owning of slaves but it was perfectly ok to murder and take the land of the native American. I do not view the native American Indians as trators either just because some stood up and fought the union army rather than just lay flat on there backs.

I agree! Especially since I'm a card carrying member of the Cherokee nation
Both of my grandmothers are cherokee.

 

[FTW]

I agree! Especially since I'm a card carrying member of the Cherokee nation
Both of my grandmothers are cherokee.

Now your being bias .
Take for example Gen. George A. Custer who was a Union civil war American hero, but in my eyes was just a cold blooded killer who got what was coming to him by Crazy Horse and the Sioux at Little Bighorn.

The Native Americans and Rebels had the common bond of what you stated by the Union wanting "better roads, railroads, city officials and political infrastructure". Both sides were in the way of that and were delt with in a harsh manner by the union G'ment.

If the native Americans could have all bonded together to protect what was theres would they have been traitors as well for going against our government and fighting for there livelihood?

BTW: I did not mean to twist your words around,,, it is just something I picked up from Grizzly after reading tons of his debates.

 

[Phreezer]

The two aren't even comparable and here's why.

The north was not trying to displace the southerners. They weren't sending military forces into their communities killing them, raping their women and giving them disease infested blankets. The southerners weren't facing annialiation by the northerners. They weren't trying to be displaced. The southerners simply didn't want to give up their free and cheap labor (slaves) and they didn't want to pay taxes (stay rich and live in their mansions). The confederates weren't faced with the option to stand up and fight this second or be gunned down where they slept. Had they been I would have agreed with their need for war. This was the case for the native americans. It wasn't the case for the confederates. They just left. They seceeded. They started the war. They chose this because they wanted to keep their slaves that was so important to their livelyhood. It was a livelyhood that was built on the back of slavery. And while the north went through a similar period atleast they stoped and were trying to stop slavery from continuing. The south fought and died so they could have the right to own and subjugate a race of people to use and treat as they saw fit so they could get richer, avoid taxes on their riches and to not have to pay for or perform the manual labor themselves.

The Native Americans were given two options. be crushed under the heal of the U.S. Army or move to some god awful swamp or patch of dessert that the U.S. didn't want or couldn't use... To me that's pretty easy to see why they fought. The south's options were Don't secceed, pay your taxes and free the human beings your treating like cattle and pay the people who work for you instead of beating them with whips, keeping them in captivity and killing them without mercy. They chose to just walk away so they could continue their macabre business as usual.

Had the south been in a similar circumstances to the native Americans I would have supported them in their war efforts... However, they were not. They wanted to keep slaves and they didn't want to pay taxes. They didn't have to choose to fight because the north was poisoning them, killing them and kicking them off their homes at gun point.. They chose to fight to continue their tyranical treatment and oppression of an entire race of human beings. (Objects to the southerners not even human beings). Do you know what southerners did to people who helped free blacks? They hung them. They hung entire famalies because they helped free a slave. They did this to send messages to other southerners who might "threaten" their way of life. How can you defend that? How can you say that defending that right was the same as a tribe of Sioux not wanting to be forced off of the land they had lived on for centuries?

I don't see how you could even compare the two. VERY different circumstances and very different reasons for fighting. The south fought so they could continue to oppress a race of people they were using as free labor so they could be wealthy. The Native Americans fought to keep from being oppressed and having their race exterminated.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one because there is no arguement in the world that will ever convince me the south was in the right for fighting that war.

Now your being bias .
Take for example Gen. George A. Custer who was a Union civil war American hero, but in my eyes was just a cold blooded killer who got what was coming to him by Crazy Horse and the Sioux at Little Bighorn.

The Native Americans and Rebels had the common bond of what you stated by the Union wanting "better roads, railroads, city officials and political infrastructure". Both sides were in the way of that and were delt with in a harsh manner by the union G'ment.

If the native Americans could have all bonded together to protect what was theres would they have been traitors as well for going against our government and fighting for there livelihood?

BTW: I did not mean to twist your words around,,, it is just something I picked up from Grizzly after reading tons of his debates.

 

[FTW]

Now your twisting my words around. I never said they were alike,,, I said they shared a common bond. The G'ment back then was all about expansion and making the most money they could (they still do). Anybody that got in the way of that was expendable. I do not believe in slavery but there were more tensions between the north and south way before the slavery issue come up. Slavery would have run its course where the industrial revolution was just starting to take place. From what I read some slaves did not want to be free in fear of not having a job/home.

I do not believe all I read in what the history books say about either side because all Natives were portrayed to be savages that were cold blood killers and were a danger to settlers and others alike. You and I know thats false. I also dont agree on how John Brown's raid on Harper Ferry with his slave army was one of the things that sparked the civil war but he was a martyr. I think there are many of untold stories about the way the south was being treated by the north that forced it to a breaking point.

You are right though, we have to agree to disagree but I do agree with you on how the native American was treated worse than any other race in U.S. history and they are the "true American". If the blacks owned the land that the north needed then they would have been terminated also and treated worse than waht the southerns done to them. IMO our G'ment has more compassion for personal need more so than it does for its people, especially the people they can take advantage of. I am more than proud to admit that I have Cherokee blood running threw my veins also. It would be fucked up to find out that we are distant relation to each other.

The two aren't even comparable and here's why.

The north was not trying to displace the southerners. They weren't sending military forces into their communities killing them, raping their women and giving them disease infested blankets. The southerners weren't facing annialiation by the northerners. They weren't trying to be displaced. The southerners simply didn't want to give up their free and cheap labor (slaves) and they didn't want to pay taxes (stay rich and live in their mansions). The confederates weren't faced with the option to stand up and fight this second or be gunned down where they slept. Had they been I would have agreed with their need for war. This was the case for the native americans. It wasn't the case for the confederates. They just left. They seceeded. They started the war. They chose this because they wanted to keep their slaves that was so important to their livelyhood. It was a livelyhood that was built on the back of slavery. And while the north went through a similar period atleast they stoped and were trying to stop slavery from continuing. The south fought and died so they could have the right to own and subjugate a race of people to use and treat as they saw fit so they could get richer, avoid taxes on their riches and to not have to pay for or perform the manual labor themselves.

The Native Americans were given two options. be crushed under the heal of the U.S. Army or move to some god awful swamp or patch of dessert that the U.S. didn't want or couldn't use... To me that's pretty easy to see why they fought. The south's options were Don't secceed, pay your taxes and free the human beings your treating like cattle and pay the people who work for you instead of beating them with whips, keeping them in captivity and killing them without mercy. They chose to just walk away so they could continue their macabre business as usual.

Had the south been in a similar circumstances to the native Americans I would have supported them in their war efforts... However, they were not. They wanted to keep slaves and they didn't want to pay taxes. They didn't have to choose to fight because the north was poisoning them, killing them and kicking them off their homes at gun point.. They chose to fight to continue their tyranical treatment and oppression of an entire race of human beings. (Objects to the southerners not even human beings). Do you know what southerners did to people who helped free blacks? They hung them. They hung entire famalies because they helped free a slave. They did this to send messages to other southerners who might "threaten" their way of life. How can you defend that? How can you say that defending that right was the same as a tribe of Sioux not wanting to be forced off of the land they had lived on for centuries?

I don't see how you could even compare the two. VERY different circumstances and very different reasons for fighting. The south fought so they could continue to oppress a race of people they were using as free labor so they could be wealthy. The Native Americans fought to keep from being oppressed and having their race exterminated.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one because there is no arguement in the world that will ever convince me the south was in the right for fighting that war.

 

[FTW]

I just cant change my view that war was started over nothing but greed and greed alone. I brushed up on my American history and found this...

There were many reasons for a Civil War to happen in America, and political issues and disagreements began soon after the American Revolution ended in 1782. Between the years 1800 and 1860, arguments between the North and South grew more intense. One of the main quarrels was about taxes paid on goods brought into this country from foreign countries. Southerners felt these tariffs were unfair and aimed toward them because they imported a wider variety of goods than most Northern people. Taxes were also placed on many Southern goods that were shipped to foreign countries, an expense that was not always applied to Northern goods of equal value. An awkward economic structure allowed states and private transportation companies to do this, which also affected Southern banks that found themselves paying higher interest rates on loans made with banks in the North. The situation grew worse after several "panics", including one in 1857 that affected more Northern banks than Southern. Southern financiers found themselves burdened with high payments just to save Northern banks that had suffered financial losses through poor investment.

In the years before the Civil War the political power in the Federal government, centered in Washington, D.C., was changing. Northern and mid-western states were becoming more and more powerful as the populations increased. Southern states lost political power because the population did not increase as rapidly. As one portion of the nation grew larger than another, people began to talk of the nation as sections. This was called sectionalism. Just as the original thirteen colonies fought for their independence almost 100 years earlier, the Southern states felt a growing need for freedom from the central Federal authority in Washington. Southerners believed that state laws carried more weight than Federal laws, and they should abide by the state regulations first. This issue was called State's Rights and became a very warm topic in congress.

It sure does sound unfair to me that the south was made pay higher prices and support the north when the north did not support the south. I know you look at the south as traitors but I admire that quality when a person is being bullied and treated unfairly to stand there ground and say fuck you. Especially if the person there being bullied by was bigger, stronger and more powerful,,, if pushed to hard then its time to throw down.

Phreezer I highly respect your opinion and have always seen you as the big brother of this fucked up family that keeps shit in line and moving forward. I am not trying to change your mind but I cant help but wonder sometimes if the south did win and done away with the Federal Reserve (that runs this country), if good ol boy may have made things for the better. One thing you cant deny is to be out manned, over fire powered and better financed that,,, the Rebs gave the Yanks one hell of a battle.

I would guess a persons location would play a major part in ones opinion on that war. Neither side was a saint and if ever any kind of government is in the wrong,,, you will NEVER hear them admit to making a mistake.

 

[Bigkarch]

quit hyjacking my thread you debaters......shit wasnt meant for this.......

besides one half my family are rebels (from Alabama) one Uncle calls it the yankee aggression.................., other half (now) are members of the cherokee nation due to a father..so fuck you both.......start a new thread..

luv ya.......good nite

 

[Oldtimer]

And I was wondering how the furniture was ruined with water. TrenBoy, get ready for my friend the officer from the other day.

 

[FTW]

quit hyjacking my thread you debaters......shit wasnt meant for this.......

besides one half my family are rebels (from Alabama) one Uncle calls it the yankee aggression.................., other half (now) are members of the cherokee nation due to a father..so fuck you both.......start a new thread..

luv ya.......good nite

Sorry bout that

I guess my main point is... if you see the Confederate flag as good or bad it is still a part of American history and should not be forgotten.

in closing,,, I love my country but I hate my Government.