question for u guys

[phudecki]

question for u guys

by any chance do any of u guys eat whole food like sweet potato or rice with ur slin?

seems like everyone has a carb drink but if u could eat whole foods would u?

just curious
been doin some research and i want to give it a shot have humalog
was waitin till i finish my igf run in 2 or 3 weeks and wanted to start some slin but start low.
im doin gh and test and eq and litte tren a not much been eating alot and tryin to get my weight up without turnin into a fat boy.

so any input from some of u guys would help. i read alot of dif things and old threads but just want to make sure im doin the right thing cause im new in this area.



thanks

 

[-MU-]

You could but it has to be broken down first, which in a way is counter productive when using slin. You want those nutrients available right then and there. I would take in a simple carb such as dextrose, waixy maze, or cytoCarb 2 PWO with your protein, and then 1-2 hours later eat a whole food meal.

 

[vtliftvt]

Here are my thoughts on your question:

1) This will depend on the type of slin you are using and WHEN. For example, you pop log 1st thing in the morning after fasting all night and you will want faster digesting carbs in order to ensure you don't go hype. If you waited until mid-day and had been consuming carbs all day, a shake isn't necessary at all.

2) Most refer to using a shake bc most people use fast acting slin PWO when people what....you guessed it...they have a PWO shake

3) This will also depend on your insulin sensitivity. I personally have only felt hypo once or twice ever even after pinning and going some time without carbs. However, someone like yourself might pin a very minimum amount and mid-day after eating all day and go hypo quickly. That's why it's suggested to start off at 2-3iu and see how you feel.

So to answer your question, yea....I use whole foods most of the time aside from pre and post workout and never had an issue. Then again I use slin only 3-4 times per week but use long acting and run it all day...so of course I'll have mostly whole foods.

 

[vtliftvt]

You could but it has to be broken down first, which in a way is counter productive when using slin. You want those nutrients available right then and there. I would take in a simple carb such as dextrose, waixy maze, or cytoCarb 2 PWO with your protein, and then 1-2 hours later eat a whole food meal.

What if you've been eating all day? What happens with the nutrients that's being broken down from earlier meals? Will they not be shuttled with the slin?

 

[phudecki]

thanks mu n vt
i was plannin on doin post wo start mit 2 or 3 iu
i guess i will go get some shakes an let u guys know
prob start in 2 or 3 weeks

u guys really like it?
also can u stay fairly lean i dont mean like contest or close to it but not bloated?
a few people i know that did it kinda got sloppy but they like bein bulky.

thanks again for the help

 

[phudecki]

so vt when would u take ur gh if u were doin ur slin post wo

just want to do it at the right time always dif things said so i have plenty of kits an want to use them right in conjunction with humalog

 

[vtliftvt]

u guys really like it?
also can u stay fairly lean i dont mean like contest or close to it but not bloated?
a few people i know that did it kinda got sloppy but they like bein bulky.

thanks again for the help

This is all diet related. Most people over-do the carbs with slin. Instead of slamming a shake, sip on it for a little while. That will keep blood sugar levels from dropping too low from the slin.

If you slam the shake they will raise but then the slin will still be active and conversely your blood sugar will drop again and you'll go hypo. So with 2-3iu PWO, stick with 45-60 carbs and just sip on it. After that wait an hour and have a whole meal.

I've had no issues with staying lean while using slin, you just have to make diet adjustements which may also mean tossing in some fasted morning cardio here and there. Slin itself is not the culprit for getting fat.

so vt when would u take ur gh if u were doin ur slin post wo

just want to do it at the right time always dif things said so i have plenty of kits an want to use them right in conjunction with humalog

I have ran GH several ways and as long as you have good GH, your results will be good. I've split 3-4 iu am and pm. I've shot 10iu post workout and right now I'm playing with 20iu EOD...post workout if it happens to hit a training day or just whenever I feel like it any other time. All methods have proven to return great results. Since you're using slin I'll assume you're trying to gain weight and you're not dieting. In that case shoot all of your GH post workout and wait 10 minutes or so and then shoot your slin.

 

[phudecki]

Thanks For The Help

cool thanks vt
i will do some fasted cardio in the am move my workouts to after work
hit the gh wait 10 min hit the slin sip on the drink then eat the whole food hour later

im eating clean just adding more carbs an cals
usin rips got plenty of them so hopin to work up to 8iu of them im
and low start wit slin an hope to go up in size an keep my waistline in check

thanks for takin the time to help me out very much appreciated VT
if u think of anything else let me know im hear to lern

 

[-MU-]

Well I tend to think of my training schedule which is in the AM and I only get a small breakfast in before training. So PWO which is when I'm using the log I would think that a shake would be more beneficial, Since my first meal was used to replenish my fasted state from sleeping and then used up during training.

It really does depend on a lot of factors I quess.

What if you've been eating all day? What happens with the nutrients that's being broken down from earlier meals? Will they not be shuttled with the slin?

 

[phudecki]

i was thinkin of switchin to after work to hit gym when i start the log
an do some fasted cardio in am to try an maintain my girlish figure
or hope to..

 

[phudecki]

1 more for u vt if u had mgf sittin around would u mix that wit the hgh and do im post wo in muscle group trained then wait 10 min an do the slin for bulking
so eating clean but alot of food

and then when back to gettin cut and dieting would u use igf mgf an gh and if so what would u do as ur protocall?

thanks again
im going to use ur info an apply it an will check back in let u know how its going

 

[vtliftvt]

Well I tend to think of my training schedule which is in the AM and I only get a small breakfast in before training. So PWO which is when I'm using the log I would think that a shake would be more beneficial, Since my first meal was used to replenish my fasted state from sleeping and then used up during training.

It really does depend on a lot of factors I quess.

Oh yea I agree with you. If you work out in the am I would certainly have a shake as there isn't food currently in your system. You're practically shooting slin fasted.

 

[vtliftvt]

1 more for u vt if u had mgf sittin around would u mix that wit the hgh and do im post wo in muscle group trained then wait 10 min an do the slin for bulking
so eating clean but alot of food

and then when back to gettin cut and dieting would u use igf mgf an gh and if so what would u do as ur protocall?

thanks again
im going to use ur info an apply it an will check back in let u know how its going

The absolute worst time to shoot MGF is PWO. Post workout the body naturally produces MGF which is far superior to exo MGF. I'd play around with it but would either opt to shoot the night before (IM) in the muscle group you plan on training the NEXT day or either the night after you train that muscle group.

When dieting I would only use slin on a carb-up day. IGF and GH are great when dieting. I'd shoot the GH right before bed so IGF and GH levels will be high when you first wake up in the am. Go to the gym and do fasted cardio and the fat will melt off of you.

 

[phudecki]

When dieting I would only use slin on a carb-up day. IGF and GH are great when dieting. I'd shoot the GH right before bed so IGF and GH levels will be high when you first wake up in the am. Go to the gym and do fasted cardio and the fat will melt off of you

when would u suggest to take ur igf for ur dieting protocall??

lookin 4ward to tryin these methods
really appreciate it VT

 

[vtliftvt]

When dieting I would only use slin on a carb-up day. IGF and GH are great when dieting. I'd shoot the GH right before bed so IGF and GH levels will be high when you first wake up in the am. Go to the gym and do fasted cardio and the fat will melt off of you

when would u suggest to take ur igf for ur dieting protocall??

lookin 4ward to tryin these methods
really appreciate it VT

Either pre or post workout. Most seem to like PWO. One thing worth mentioning with IGF is that due to the nature of the compound it degrades VERY quickly, even mixed with AA. Most seem to get better results around 80-100mcg dosing/day due to the fact the vial is used much more quickly and the compound has less time to degrade. IGF is one of those things some people see results very quickly and others say it's worthless so try out a few different methods and see what you respond to best.