Vicious Cycle
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What would be the minimum amount of HGH and the minimum length of time to see results?
What would be the minimum amount of HGH and the minimum length of time to see results?
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M FREAKY
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3-5 months depending on your diet,,,
juiced2damax
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That's a tough one VC...2ius for a few months...MAYBE in 6-8wks you might notice minor changes. One thing I happen to notice is that when bulking; I can eat alot more crap foods and not gain much bf opposed to when I'm off HGH.
KingGuss
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This run has been wacky for me. When I started I was bulking and eating everything in site both good and bad. I hardly gained any bf, and for me that is amazing. I have the worst genetics when it comes to carbs and I ate like a fat ass every day. I am now solidifying my gains and am eating clean as hell and I have never been this lean and big. It literally took no time to shred up once I straightend up my diet.
5iu's a day 6 on 1 off(sometimes)-4.5 months-Yellow tops.
Hope that helps
5iu's a day 6 on 1 off(sometimes)-4.5 months-Yellow tops.
Hope that helps
Vicious Cycle
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Crips that's a lot of money!!!!!!
KingGuss
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I got a good deal a while back, but you are right GH isnt cheap. I have done shorter runs at lower doses with success, but this time is something else. I am very satisfied so far that the money was well spent.
boston basher
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I have always been told and read anything less than 3 months is a waste
KingGuss
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For the most part that is true, however competitors using ultra high doses seem to achieve goals quickly.
Finisher
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Your question is hard to answer. Min amount and min time. These are opposing factors.
Min amount: 2iu's ED see results in 12 weeks. Friends might see difference before you.
Min time: 6iu's ED see results in 3-4 weeks. Would not recommend going above 6iu's ED unless you have your reasons.
Assuming diet/sleep/training stay the same.
Min amount: 2iu's ED see results in 12 weeks. Friends might see difference before you.
Min time: 6iu's ED see results in 3-4 weeks. Would not recommend going above 6iu's ED unless you have your reasons.
Assuming diet/sleep/training stay the same.
M
Mutant
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I was going to say this. I personally use 10iu/pwo with slin when bulking, and see results within weeks. When dieting when my main goal is fatloss, so I use 5iu/ed.
For those taking lower doses without insulin, gains in LBM may be very minimal, but fatloss can be noticed within several months. I consider a lower dose 3-5iu/ed.
M
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I do not think it is too much at all. Higher doses have been used by bodybuilders for many many years. I use my high doses in conjunction with fast acting insulin like Novalog to both keep my BGL in check, and maximize IGF-1 production. Results vary from person to person. Sometimes it simply takes a while for the new cells created by the IGF-1 to mature and become noticible. I do get immediate muscle fullness and vascularity from the combo. When dieting or holding, I lower the dose to 5iu. When bulking, I typically would stack something like Test C and injecable Dbol with the Gh and Slin.
Package
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OK, you got me thinking again...Would you say the GH/insulin combo keeps your weight up even while cutting down precontest and why?
With the combo/ How much does your weight fluctuate between the end of your bulking and say 2 weeks out?
Why do you need 10ius GH to bulk and not 5 with the slin?
M
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I beleive insulin precontest can be done, but is extremely unsafe due to the lack of sugars. You would have to learn how to manipulate your usage to allow you to still burn fat. It's somewhat hard to do, and is really more of a pain in the ass than it's worth. It can be used effectivly to fill out before a show, as long as you have diuretics on hand due to spill-over. But, because your insulin sensitivity will be through the roof, so eating a couple double cheeseburgers will do the same thing with less risk of spilling.
When I drop my insulin, and lower my dose of GH...only a couple pounds is lost due to the excess storage and water. Not much at all. Holding no water at all, I am around 240-245lb fluctuating. I only have between 15 to 20lb to lose this year, so that will set me at the top of the heavyweight class perfectly.
The reason for the higher doses of around 10iu is for the extreme burst of IGF-1 production. 5iu will obvioulsy increase IGF-1 production, but not as extreme as 10iu. And when combined with insulin it created an optimal environment for this. Remember, insulin has to be present in the body when the GH passes the liver to produce optimal amount of IGF-1. I do notice a big difference between the two doses as far as LBM goes.
Mutant, could you give me your timing after workout ? When do you get slin ? when do you get HGH ? when do you get PWO-drink ? What do you have in your PWO-drink ? how many IU slin ?
I personaly get 100 g honey, 60 g cereal cream, 90 g whey isolate, 5 g glutamine (acetyl), 6 g BCAAs, 4 g beta alanine, 6 g arginine. I used to get 20 IU slin, but I got hypoglycemia, now I only get 8 IU.
I personaly get 100 g honey, 60 g cereal cream, 90 g whey isolate, 5 g glutamine (acetyl), 6 g BCAAs, 4 g beta alanine, 6 g arginine. I used to get 20 IU slin, but I got hypoglycemia, now I only get 8 IU.
Package
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So if 10ius is extreme and it doesn't make you hold water couldn't you run 10iu during precontest, Reason being keeping you full and big and as your diet is on point you could burn out even more fat cells, while dialing in,?? just my thoughts.......say drop it 10 days out due to GH can make you hold a bit of water.
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M
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Plenty of people use 10iu+ for contest prep. I have done it as well, but simply do not see the need. I think it is only a very mild difference in fatloss between the two doses. Plus, I dont like dealing with high BGL when dieting due to larger doses. My muscles stay pretty full on 5iu/ed, and only costs half the money. I save the larger doses for bulking, and believe you have a larger chance of building antibodies when running higher doses for long periods of time...just theory based on studies read. Your body simply may not respond greatly all year...like AAS in a way. So far, the protocol I use has worked for the last couple years.
M
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I come home from gym, take my GH, make my shake and turn on the tv, take my 8-10iu insulin, and follow it up by drinking my shake. 1.5-2 hours later I eat a solid meal consisting of something like 2 talapia filets and 2 cups white rice.
My shake is Smart Gainer by IDS. I add a little more than the advised amount, so it contains around 60g protein, 100g maltodextrin, some fats, and creatine.