Why Ever Come Off Cycle?

irish_2003

Trusted Member
Why Ever Come Off Cycle?

I've been thinking about this alot lately....I have no wife, no kids, i'm not worried about my health.....in reality we don't know the long term effects of steroid use and we only know the negative effects of steroid abuse of a few individuals that the media has blown up.....in medical ethics they can't do a controlled "long-term" use study anyways.....

I've pretty much been following the following protocol for the last 4-5 months and am not interested in cutting back a few weeks just to ramp it up again....why not just ramp it up or run it the same as I've been doing, but switch up compounds of course......

I've copy and pasted the "GEAR" portion of Growth Principles by Big A....I've been doing the training and eating (for the most part) and have been pretty close to following the Gear portion



from Growth Principles for Beginners by Big A

GEAR

You need a testosterone base. 750mg/week is plenty. You need an anabolic – deca or Eq at 400mg/week is plenty. You need for optimum growth, a good oral like d-bol at 30mg/d or A-50 50mg/d. You use the test and the anabolic non stop. The oral is 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Every 6th week (the half way point between the off oral period – so 2 weeks after you finish the oral) you have a blood test. If the blood test is OK, then you can begin your next 4 weeks on oral. There is no reason for you to come off. The only 2 reasons are health or your receptors are saturated. If the regular blood test is OK, your health is OK. If you are still making progress, your receptors are OK. Coming off, will just sabotage your gains. That’s why I do not believe in set time frames for cycles. Listen to your body. When you use the oral, you need to use all the liver aids available – Synthergine, Milk Thistle, L-methionine, Liv-52, etc. Of course you cannot drink or do rec drugs during that time. Using these precautions, your blood tests will be OK.
You also need to use an anti estrogen like Nolvadex at 10mg/d throughout the whole time. Also, you have a choice between HCG every 4 weeks at 5000IU or Clomid at 50mg EOD. These will make sure that your balls will stay at a decent size and they will not forget how to function. The blood tests that you need are: full blood count, liver and kidney function tests, FSH, LH, TSH, cholesterol. If the Total protein test in the liver tests is high, that is because of your diet. You need to keep an eye on the Billirubin and Urea test results. Your FSH and LH will be suppressed – that’s normal because of the gear. If the TSH is low, add 20mcg/d T3. If the kidney function is off, then drink more. Protein stresses the kidneys, so you need more fluids. When you eventually come off the gear, you make sure that you are off the orals. Then cut out the anabolic over 2 weeks. Then the testosterone over 3 weeks. One week after that, you need to add primo tabs or anavar (oxandrin) for 3 weeks. That will ensure that you will keep your gains.
Ideally do a gainkeeper’s formula that is outlined in another article.
 

toothpick

New member
"I've been thinking about this alot lately....I have no wife, no kids, i'm not worried about my health.....in reality we don't know the long term effects of steroid use and we only know the negative effects of steroid abuse of a few individuals that the media has blown up.....in medical ethics they can't do a controlled "long-term" use study anyways....."

Not worried about your health? thats pretty reckless imo. Not sure your age, but I promise that when you get older you will care about your health and you will think back and wonder if there was anything you could have done to be healthier.
 

bdarnold

New member
after reading this over at OLM you really got me thinking and I may just stay on for awhile too now that I have insurance. i still have 9 1/2 more weeks to think about it before this cycle ends but I may just stay on .
I'm only 26 not married no plans for kids anytime soon. why not get fucking huge?
 

irish_2003

Trusted Member
"I've been thinking about this alot lately....I have no wife, no kids, i'm not worried about my health.....in reality we don't know the long term effects of steroid use and we only know the negative effects of steroid abuse of a few individuals that the media has blown up.....in medical ethics they can't do a controlled "long-term" use study anyways....."

Not worried about your health? thats pretty reckless imo. Not sure your age, but I promise that when you get older you will care about your health and you will think back and wonder if there was anything you could have done to be healthier.
i'm turning 36 in two months btw....if i was worried about my health i wouldn't let a doctor write me a prescription for an ailment when he says "let's try this and see if it works".....we are an experiment whether self conducted or in the medical community.....i'm not saying go balls out 5g/week of various compounds and never reduce it.....everything has it's limits....as far as what do i think is dangerous to my body? i think all the crap in processed foods, fast foods, drinks, alcohol, OTC meds, various OTC supplements, and my previous rec drug habit of almost 9 years have done way more harm to my body than steroids will ever do.....but that's just my viewpoint....
 

steve miller

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Im with your here Irish..been on what seems like forever now..been like 7 months. dont see myself stopping any time soon! But ya never know i guess!
 

juaneye

Trusted Member
i'm just doing cruzing doses of test and i don't plan on stopping. if it weren't for the damn arthritis in my back and knees i'd feel 35 again. it might be healthier in the long run to stay at 150 mgs wk though, but 250 mgs a week sure makes a big difference. i could use a 30 year old mistress:D my wife would cut my dick off in my sleep if i did, plus i'm a poor guy and can't afford one any how.....sounded good for a second though!!:D
 

terryd5150

Trusted Member
I've been thinking about this alot lately....I have no wife, no kids, i'm not worried about my health.....in reality we don't know the long term effects of steroid use and we only know the negative effects of steroid abuse of a few individuals that the media has blown up.....in medical ethics they can't do a controlled "long-term" use study anyways.....

I've pretty much been following the following protocol for the last 4-5 months and am not interested in cutting back a few weeks just to ramp it up again....why not just ramp it up or run it the same as I've been doing, but switch up compounds of course......

I've copy and pasted the "GEAR" portion of Growth Principles by Big A....I've been doing the training and eating (for the most part) and have been pretty close to following the Gear portion



from Growth Principles for Beginners by Big A

GEAR

You need a testosterone base. 750mg/week is plenty. You need an anabolic – deca or Eq at 400mg/week is plenty. You need for optimum growth, a good oral like d-bol at 30mg/d or A-50 50mg/d. You use the test and the anabolic non stop. The oral is 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Every 6th week (the half way point between the off oral period – so 2 weeks after you finish the oral) you have a blood test. If the blood test is OK, then you can begin your next 4 weeks on oral. There is no reason for you to come off. The only 2 reasons are health or your receptors are saturated. If the regular blood test is OK, your health is OK. If you are still making progress, your receptors are OK. Coming off, will just sabotage your gains. That’s why I do not believe in set time frames for cycles. Listen to your body. When you use the oral, you need to use all the liver aids available – Synthergine, Milk Thistle, L-methionine, Liv-52, etc. Of course you cannot drink or do rec drugs during that time. Using these precautions, your blood tests will be OK.
You also need to use an anti estrogen like Nolvadex at 10mg/d throughout the whole time. Also, you have a choice between HCG every 4 weeks at 5000IU or Clomid at 50mg EOD. These will make sure that your balls will stay at a decent size and they will not forget how to function. The blood tests that you need are: full blood count, liver and kidney function tests, FSH, LH, TSH, cholesterol. If the Total protein test in the liver tests is high, that is because of your diet. You need to keep an eye on the Billirubin and Urea test results. Your FSH and LH will be suppressed – that’s normal because of the gear. If the TSH is low, add 20mcg/d T3. If the kidney function is off, then drink more. Protein stresses the kidneys, so you need more fluids. When you eventually come off the gear, you make sure that you are off the orals. Then cut out the anabolic over 2 weeks. Then the testosterone over 3 weeks. One week after that, you need to add primo tabs or anavar (oxandrin) for 3 weeks. That will ensure that you will keep your gains.
Ideally do a gainkeeper’s formula that is outlined in another article.

I know Big A.

He stayed on for a very long time by following this type of protocol.
 

Power Juicer

New member
I've been thinking about this alot lately....I have no wife, no kids, i'm not worried about my health.....in reality we don't know the long term effects of steroid use and we only know the negative effects of steroid abuse of a few individuals that the media has blown up.....in medical ethics they can't do a controlled "long-term" use study anyways.....

I've pretty much been following the following protocol for the last 4-5 months and am not interested in cutting back a few weeks just to ramp it up again....why not just ramp it up or run it the same as I've been doing, but switch up compounds of course......

I've copy and pasted the "GEAR" portion of Growth Principles by Big A....I've been doing the training and eating (for the most part) and have been pretty close to following the Gear portion



from Growth Principles for Beginners by Big A

GEAR

You need a testosterone base. 750mg/week is plenty. You need an anabolic – deca or Eq at 400mg/week is plenty. You need for optimum growth, a good oral like d-bol at 30mg/d or A-50 50mg/d. You use the test and the anabolic non stop. The oral is 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Every 6th week (the half way point between the off oral period – so 2 weeks after you finish the oral) you have a blood test. If the blood test is OK, then you can begin your next 4 weeks on oral. There is no reason for you to come off. The only 2 reasons are health or your receptors are saturated. If the regular blood test is OK, your health is OK. If you are still making progress, your receptors are OK. Coming off, will just sabotage your gains. That’s why I do not believe in set time frames for cycles. Listen to your body. When you use the oral, you need to use all the liver aids available – Synthergine, Milk Thistle, L-methionine, Liv-52, etc. Of course you cannot drink or do rec drugs during that time. Using these precautions, your blood tests will be OK.
You also need to use an anti estrogen like Nolvadex at 10mg/d throughout the whole time. Also, you have a choice between HCG every 4 weeks at 5000IU or Clomid at 50mg EOD. These will make sure that your balls will stay at a decent size and they will not forget how to function. The blood tests that you need are: full blood count, liver and kidney function tests, FSH, LH, TSH, cholesterol. If the Total protein test in the liver tests is high, that is because of your diet. You need to keep an eye on the Billirubin and Urea test results. Your FSH and LH will be suppressed – that’s normal because of the gear. If the TSH is low, add 20mcg/d T3. If the kidney function is off, then drink more. Protein stresses the kidneys, so you need more fluids. When you eventually come off the gear, you make sure that you are off the orals. Then cut out the anabolic over 2 weeks. Then the testosterone over 3 weeks. One week after that, you need to add primo tabs or anavar (oxandrin) for 3 weeks. That will ensure that you will keep your gains.
Ideally do a gainkeeper’s formula that is outlined in another article.


I think that this is a great way to cycle. The key to staying on a long time is blood work and moderate doses.
 

terryd5150

Trusted Member
well how did he turn out? is he dependent on exogenoius test therapy now? was he shut down from it?

He turned out fine. In fact, he's an IFBB Pro.

I'm not sure if he's on HRT or not, I would assume he is, but I know he has taken extended breaks from gear since then.

The reason I brought it up is to note that his post wasn't some know-it-all gym rat parading around the internet acting like he knew something, it's something he actually did, and he offers his advice from experience.


:)
 
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